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Offline mamalala

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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2016, 02:54:39 am »
Yeah, I suspected you were right about the 2nd unit being the replacement, so tried to verify whether that was the case. The DFF blog notes the Steorn email is worded such that the incorrect unit isn't part of the 2 'shipped' units.

"We have shipped two ocubes and have received reports back that the lithium ion battery in the devices is charging to somewhere in the region of 8V"

All part of the obfuscation maybe?

Haha, there is a problem already. Charging a Lithium-Ion cell to 8 volts vill surely guarantee that the case will open on it's own.... They are just full of crap.

And of course, me saying that the second unit was the replacement for the other one was tongue-in-cheeks, in case that wasn't obvious ;)

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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2016, 03:20:08 am »
After shipping a grand total of 2 units, Steorn halts shipment saying that the internal battery is being over charged to 8V instead of 4.2V and they need to mod and retest all the units

They shouldn't have put a Batteriser in...
 

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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2016, 03:34:23 am »
After shipping a grand total of 2 units, Steorn halts shipment saying that the internal battery is being over charged to 8V instead of 4.2V and they need to mod and retest all the units

They shouldn't have put a Batteriser in...

Now, that's really a good one!

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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2016, 04:09:53 pm »
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And if a future of abundance and the end of global warming just happen to come out of this, so much the better.
Yes, free energy will immediately increase the consumed energy, witch is mainly converted to heat.
The new problem will be called "global boiling"

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A group of PhD engineers and scientists from Aalto University in Finland is holding a crowdfunder to raise enough money to purchase an OCube, so they can test it and figure out how it works. A documentary crew is following this project, and contributors will receive a DVD of the finished film.
What if this "group" are the real scammers?
Invent a company, product, set up a fake sales site, and then crowdfund with the promise to send a DVD...

C'mon,... researchers, PhD university, crowdfunding to get 1200 dollar together....they consume that amount every minute of the day.
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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2016, 04:19:58 pm »
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And if a future of abundance and the end of global warming just happen to come out of this, so much the better.
Yes, free energy will immediately increase the consumed energy, witch is mainly converted to heat.
The new problem will be called "global boiling"

Surely if somebody is able to invent a "free energy" device, they would simultaneously create a "null energy" device.  The /dev/null to the /dev/zero.  Once that's up and running, we can just dump all of our excess heat into it to push it into the quantum vacuum.  Every device you buy would come with a free energy and a null energy pair, so it doesn't consume any power from nor deliver any heat to our universe.
 

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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2016, 04:39:40 pm »
I just realised how much I forgot from all this since university.... :-)
Does the heat dumping process have a COP factor over 1 ?
But it sounds acceptable, where is the buy-now button? :-)
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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2016, 10:00:28 am »
And still the bullshit continues...
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/updates-on-ogirls-ophone-and-aclands-ocube-and-an-open-plea-to-steorn/
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As I understand it, Steorn’s reserves are running short and its ability to keep itself afloat depends on Orbo being taken seriously in short order.
So they've spent all the cash they've conned out of investors, and still trying to spin it out long enough to get some more by pretending they have actually shipped something.
Just how long can you string out a scam...
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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2016, 10:59:14 am »
Surprise, surprise, it's potted:
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2016, 11:21:18 am »
Dave, can't you get it x-rayed or scanned by one of those airport machines?
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2016, 12:05:47 pm »
Dave doesn't have access to it. There is only one of these OCube things in the wild.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Anyway, let's assume this is not a complete scam but uses energy harvesting to provide at least some function.
Since there are no solar cells visible, they could use harvesting from WiFi or other electromagnetic waves.
I guess harvesting to supply 1mW devices is somewhat realistic, so letting aside obvious losses, they could maybe harvest 1 mWs within a second without groundbreaking technology.

-> 1h -> 3.6 Ws
-> 1d -> 86.4 Ws
-> 1w -> 604.8 Ws

A modern smartphone's battery has around 2000mAh at 3.7V -> 7.4Wh -> 26640 Ws

So after only about 44 weeks, there would be enough energy harvested to charge a smartphone (well, no losses and so on).
Now let's be absolutely optimistic and assume they could somehow harvest 10mW, it would still take more than 4 weeks to harvest enough energy to charge a smartphone.
Taking into account the losses for trickle charging and the self-discharge of the battery/capacitor, the numbers will look even worse of course. Actually, probably much worse.

So even assuming this is not a complete scam and they put some kind of state of the art energy harvesting technology inside, it's hard to believe they aren't aware that the amount of energy harvested is too small to be of any real word use that they claim.
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Re: Stoern Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2016, 03:20:06 pm »
Surprise, surprise, it's potted:


This one is potted but when it left Steorn it was neither potted or unpotted. What's happened now Acland has opened the box is that the quantum superposition caused by orbo's time splitting technology has collapsed this one into a potted reality for us. Somewhere in a parallel universe is an unpotted variant being correctly evaluated using scientific methods.  :)

That picture is wrong in so many ways:
  • Steorn were originally encouraging reviewers to tear it apart and test it, yet they potted it
  • This is the test unit with a 5F cap batt that wasn't meant to be shipped, so it wouldn't have been potted at all
  • Those screw terminals! Amazing that they can create free energy but can't use sensible connectors
  • The surface finish achieved makes it look like it was potted by the monkey chief
  • Somebody commented on ecat world that the pp3 sized cuboid, looks suspiciously like a pp3 battery*


*I'm not sure about PP3, it might be a 400F cap.


 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2016, 05:01:16 pm »
Definitely X-ray time... followed by some non-reversible disassembly. ;)

Some comments in the links posted suggest it's a nuclear battery - which would probably mean the latter shouldn't be done, but I doubt it's anything but regular batteries and some switching converter.
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2016, 05:12:10 pm »
If it contained a nuclear battery it would have to be above ambient temperature.  The lid is available as a control for surface emissivity so simply view it and its detached lid with a thermal IR camera.

Next will be the kooks claiming that X-raying it will trigger the alien anti-tamper mechanism and release a naked singularity.
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2016, 05:13:07 pm »
Definitely looks like two PVC wrap battery packs.
Something like this, just half the size:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/36V-37V-10Ah-Lithium-ion-Li-ion-Battery-PVC-Wrap-eBike-/191580835274?hash=item2c9b1b8dca:g:SU8AAOSwBahVVgsK
The idea of the terminals is probably to allow charging when the device is sent back for service because of "malfunction" (i.e. battery is empty).
The main question is if there's much else left in there apart from a converter.
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2016, 04:52:07 am »
Yup the Steorn posted a video explaining the innner monkey workings.

What a surprise, the electrets need a voltage reference of 18V which is merrily supplied by 2 x PP3 batteries. Now, I know what you’re all thinking, but Shaun assures us that they are just used as a zero current reference voltage. And to prove it there's a 1M resistor in series so it can't draw any. Then he mumbled something about 5 years.  :-DD

Other stats :
20 Orbo powered phones or cubes shipped. The earlier email said only 2 monkey skulls shipped, so that must mean 18 phones
40% Failed in service so far
2 phones had detached speakers. 2 Monkeys had overcharging issues.

[Edited to note that 40% of 20 leaves 4 failures unaccounted for]
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2016, 06:31:14 am »
5F cap

What a surprise, the electrets need a voltage reference of 18V which is merrily supplied by 2 x PP3 batteries. Now, I know what you’re all thinking, but Shaun assures us that they are just used as a zero current reference voltage. And to prove it there's a 1M resistor in series so it can't draw any. Then he mumbled something about 5 years.

So now we know what it is! 2 PP3 batteries that charge a few caps through an 1M resistor, so that when you leave it overnight after it went dead there will be some small amount of power back in the cap... except the "problem with their charge controller" is that the leakage current from whatever DC/DC they have behind to regulate the 5V output is greater than the charge rate so it stays dead  :-DD :-DD
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2016, 09:56:08 am »
More bullshit that proves nothing, but might confuse a stupid person enough to think they have something.

If someone did genuinely have something new, it would be hard to imagine a more inept way of demonstrating it than we've seen form these clowns, especially considering the amount of cash they've had so far.


 
 
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2016, 12:18:53 pm »
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especially the ones living in the bottom of society, want to buy any theory that is cynical, conspiracy or anti government/anti big companies.

I don't know. I think people on the top of the society are equally exposed to scams, and I can name more than a handful of them.
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2016, 02:59:41 pm »
Yes! A new bogus video!

https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/videos/vb.217496297671/10153531949942672/?type=2&theater

If you are after amusing videos, there's a whole train wreck happening over on Acland's site
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/15/ecw-orbo-o-cube-testing-week-2-feb-15-post-questions-for-steorn-here/
Lots of voices in the comments and, as to be expected, a very low SNR. Lots of ramblings and a few measurements with no conclusions. His unit is the one that shipped without the Li-ion battery and has since developed other faults, so whatever conclusions come out then Sheorn will just claim the tests are invalid because the unit was supplied faulty.

Quote from Sheorn McCarthy:
"Not sure to be honest, shorting the unit will have fecked the domains up, the purpose of the applied voltage is to keep the domains pointing in the correct direction (or rather encourage them to return after a discharge)"
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2016, 06:05:33 pm »
just thought I'd google steorn (and ubeam) to be abreast of whether the penny has dropped for investors. Seems it did a while ago..

from the website itself: http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/07/steorn-prospects-dim-investors-told-to-chip-in-more-or-lose-it-all/
 

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2016, 04:13:38 am »
And still it continues.....
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/09/mccarthy-re-emerges-exposes-break-with-head-investor-pat-corbett/

Wait a minute...is that really...

*sniff-sniff* *doggy sniffs*

CONTACT INFO!

Voltamort says...

ATTAAAACK! >:D

(looks like even some of the wankers are starting to riot) LOLZ :-DD :popcorn:
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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2016, 07:04:09 am »
Any progress on taking the thing apart, maybe someone removed the potting compound?

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Re: Steorn Orbo free energy scam - they're Still at it!
« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2016, 09:35:08 am »
Any progress on taking the thing apart, maybe someone removed the potting compound?

does it matter? all it means is you find out which brand of bullshit they used in it  :-DD


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