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| David Hess:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 12, 2020, 07:44:30 am ---Duh, nobody doesn’t understand that open plans are cheaper. Our point is that it’s a false economy to save a few hundred bucks a month on rent, at the expense of a few thousand bucks of productivity (and the employees’ sanity). --- End quote --- Rent is an immediate ongoing expense. Employee's sanity is speculative and someone else's cost anyway; there are plenty of new employees to hire and as a bonus, they cost less. |
| David Hess:
--- Quote from: Brumby on February 11, 2020, 12:21:07 pm ---The flaw is very simple - and very obvious. There is no stickiness here unless someone acts stupidly. You are describing two entirely different scenarios. Having drinks with a single person is completely, utterly and totally different to a group get together. --- End quote --- It does not matter if someone acts stupidly. In the current climate, an accusation is punitive whether justified or false. For the same reason, I have deliberately avoided any profession which includes children or students. What would I gain by taking such a risk? I would get the door for any colleague but drive a woman home from work because her car died? I would not if I could avoid it. |
| CatalinaWOW:
On the subject of letting employees select open or closed workspaces, based on their need for quiet to concentrate, or whatever worked for them. I was at one point participating in allocation of office space. My experience was that actual need for working conditions was far less important to most employees than the recognition associated with the assignment. In this particular case there were several standardized office layouts, with more square feet for higher grade levels along with other "perks" like bigger desks, more file cabinets and the like. In one case the only difference between one layout and another was a slide out pencil tray added under one of the work surfaces. The ridiculousness was two sided. One one side, that pencil tray could not have cost more than a couple of dollars to make, and even at full retail including installation costs couldn't have been more than $100. So it was ridiculous to not include them everywhere. But at least as ridiculous were the fights that occured over who deserved the tray and who got them. The bottom line is that people are emotional as much or more than they are rational. And this is obvious on decisions and attitudes by both employers and employees. |
| Sal Ammoniac:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 13, 2020, 12:38:46 am --- --- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on February 12, 2020, 05:12:19 pm ---Some companies, such as Facebook, take open plan offices to the next level. In those companies, you don't even have a dedicated desk. You take whatever desk is available when you're there. I suppose companies do this because they think it saves even more money than open plan offices with dedicated desks for each employee. --- End quote --- yyyyyyeah, I brought up hot-desking several days ago in reply #59. --- End quote --- TL;DR, but BTW, it's in reply #58 (although your link does point to #58, it says #59). |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: David Hess on February 13, 2020, 03:49:05 am --- --- Quote from: tooki on February 12, 2020, 07:44:30 am ---Duh, nobody doesn’t understand that open plans are cheaper. Our point is that it’s a false economy to save a few hundred bucks a month on rent, at the expense of a few thousand bucks of productivity (and the employees’ sanity). --- End quote --- Rent is an immediate ongoing expense. Employee's sanity is speculative and someone else's cost anyway; there are plenty of new employees to hire and as a bonus, they cost less. --- End quote --- I hope that reply was meant sarcastically. Thousands in lost productivity is also an immediate, ongoing expense. --- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on February 13, 2020, 06:17:08 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on February 13, 2020, 12:38:46 am --- --- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on February 12, 2020, 05:12:19 pm ---Some companies, such as Facebook, take open plan offices to the next level. In those companies, you don't even have a dedicated desk. You take whatever desk is available when you're there. I suppose companies do this because they think it saves even more money than open plan offices with dedicated desks for each employee. --- End quote --- yyyyyyeah, I brought up hot-desking several days ago in reply #59. --- End quote --- TL;DR, but BTW, it's in reply #58 (although your link does point to #58, it says #59). --- End quote --- Maybe a bug in the forum software, since on my screen, it did, and still does, say #59: |
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