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james_s:

--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on February 09, 2020, 06:22:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Circlotron on February 09, 2020, 11:45:27 am ---I worked for 10 years in the design lab of a company that made good quality switch mode power supplies. On a daily basis we would make engineering decisions that affected fire and electrical safety, the sort of thing that if done wrong would have possibly caused the company to get sued into oblivion. Despite this, we were not trusted to have a key to the stationery cupboard to get a pen.

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Penny-wise Pound-foolishness is an internal expense that most managers will never understand. It shows up at all levels of corporate structure. Cheap pens for expensive engineers. Cheap oscilloscopes for expensive projects. Cheap security for expensive buildings.

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One place I worked wouldn't give me badge access to a lab where some equipment I used semi-regularly to do my job was stored. They said they were concerned that too many people had access to the lab. Well ok, but if you can't trust me not to steal equipment or whatever then why do you still have me working there? Whatever, I just bugged other people to let me in whenever I needed to check out or return stuff.
james_s:

--- Quote from: tooki on February 09, 2020, 08:36:09 pm ---And stupid open plan offices that save a few hundred bucks a a month per head on real estate, while producing a 20% drop in productivity on someone who is paid many thousands a month. Absolutely mind bogglingly stupid.

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They're virtually all like that now, and it's probably more than a 20% drop, at least for people who are coding and doing other things that require concentration. The only reason I'm able to tolerate it is that I can work from home several days a week so that's when I get most of my work done. It's always some non-technical extrovert who decides the open plans are wonderful. They always buy into the BS buzzword "collaboration" too, I've come to hate that word. There are situations where it's helpful to sit around a table and work on something together but the majority of the time everyone puts on headphones and tunes out so they can get work done. Study after study shows that employees hate open layout offices, face to face communication drops and online messaging greatly increases and yet the benefits are still touted as the fad continues to spread. It's a fad like any other, I'm hopeful that eventually someone will reinvent private offices.
Tomorokoshi:

--- Quote from: james_s on February 10, 2020, 01:54:48 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on February 09, 2020, 08:36:09 pm ---And stupid open plan offices that save a few hundred bucks a a month per head on real estate, while producing a 20% drop in productivity on someone who is paid many thousands a month. Absolutely mind bogglingly stupid.

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They're virtually all like that now, and it's probably more than a 20% drop, at least for people who are coding and doing other things that require concentration. The only reason I'm able to tolerate it is that I can work from home several days a week so that's when I get most of my work done. It's always some non-technical extrovert who decides the open plans are wonderful. They always buy into the BS buzzword "collaboration" too, I've come to hate that word. There are situations where it's helpful to sit around a table and work on something together but the majority of the time everyone puts on headphones and tunes out so they can get work done. Study after study shows that employees hate open layout offices, face to face communication drops and online messaging greatly increases and yet the benefits are still touted as the fad continues to spread. It's a fad like any other, I'm hopeful that eventually someone will reinvent private offices.

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The "open layout" problem of not having doors was already identified by the time Peopleware came out in 1987. It hasn't gotten any better.

As for "collaboration", I present to you the ironically named, "Agile".
ajb:

--- Quote from: EEEnthusiast on February 09, 2020, 02:19:44 am ---Women dressing provocatively is an invitation for men in general... Instincts cannot be controlled by brains, or else the population would not grow exponentially in this world...
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Fuuuuuuck this.

As a man, are you no better than a wild animal? When you are hungry, do you run down the nearest prey animal and devour it raw? If you have to piss in the middle of a meeting do you just whip it out and let loose?  No? Why is it that you can control certain instincts, but when a woman wears a low cut shirt suddenly all bets are off?  The whole bullshit 'men just can't be expected to control their urges around attractive women' thing is inherently stupid, insulting to men, and worst of all, directly endangers women.  It is nothing more than an excuse for bad behavior that should not be tolerated. 


--- Quote from: EEEnthusiast on February 09, 2020, 03:27:20 am ---One may use his intelligence to overcome instincts if trained hard, but the natural responses should not be curbed. It may lead to long term deviant behaviour among people.
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You know what leads to 'deviant behavior'? A culture where sexual harassment is tolerated, where responsibility for harassment and assault is shifted to the victims, and where people are not held accountable for failure to control their 'natural responses'.
EEEnthusiast:

--- Quote from: ajb on February 10, 2020, 03:37:28 am ---
--- Quote from: EEEnthusiast on February 09, 2020, 02:19:44 am ---Women dressing provocatively is an invitation for men in general... Instincts cannot be controlled by brains, or else the population would not grow exponentially in this world...
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Fuuuuuuck this.

As a man, are you no better than a wild animal? When you are hungry, do you run down the nearest prey animal and devour it raw? If you have to piss in the middle of a meeting do you just whip it out and let loose?  No? Why is it that you can control certain instincts, but when a woman wears a low cut shirt suddenly all bets are off?  The whole bullshit 'men just can't be expected to control their urges around attractive women' thing is inherently stupid, insulting to men, and worst of all, directly endangers women.  It is nothing more than an excuse for bad behavior that should not be tolerated. 


--- Quote from: EEEnthusiast on February 09, 2020, 03:27:20 am ---One may use his intelligence to overcome instincts if trained hard, but the natural responses should not be curbed. It may lead to long term deviant behaviour among people.
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You know what leads to 'deviant behavior'? A culture where sexual harassment is tolerated, where responsibility for harassment and assault is shifted to the victims, and where people are not held accountable for failure to control their 'natural responses'.

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It is proven experimentally that when men are around pretty/hot women, their intelligence level gets diminished and cannot make accurate judgements. Casinos employing hot women is one of the reasons to exploit this. Are you going to shut down all casinos, because they use this behaviour of men to their advantage? Or tell them to have a less revealing decent dress code. 

I am not supporting this kind of behaviour, but just stating the facts... somethings are hard wired in human beings to support evolution. Just by artificially creating rules, those hard wiring cannot be undone.
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