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Subscription based options and features comming to new cars.

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MK14:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 12, 2021, 06:54:44 pm ---Yes, this is something I think I've already mentioned... but in the end, this new trend slowly leads to abolition of private property (except for those that actually reap the benefits of this model), which is an horrible mix of communism and capitalism at its peak. The worst of both worlds.

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I wonder what will happen, in the following, horrible/pessimistic situation ?

One of more relatively vital functions, are under subscription. Then in the coming future, management changes their mind and/or new management or even the entire car company gets taken over by a much less pleasant company.

Which then proceeds to massively increase the subscriptions, to rather over-priced levels.

E.g. The subscriptions are operated/owned (farmed out), to another company. Who then gets taken over by, let's say Microsoft.

tl;dr
 :-- :-- :-- with car functionality subscriptions  :-- :-- :--

james_s:

--- Quote from: wraper on December 12, 2021, 05:15:23 pm ---They couldn't open their car from a phone. Key cards and fobs still worked. If you are dumb enough to only bring a smartphone (even though it may discharge, break from falling, whatever), tough luck.

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My dad did exactly that. He dropped and broke his phone and then realized the RFID cards were stored at home  :palm:

Call me old fashioned but I prefer a plain old metal key. Pulling a key out of my pocket and inserting it in a lock just never seemed like much of a burden to me.

Also I have a severe allergy to subscriptions and recurring payments and I keep it to the absolute minimum. If it is something like my mobile and utilities where I am continually consuming something then obviously a recurring payment is the only feasible option but I refuse to use anything that requires a subscription just to keep it working when there is no good reason for it to rely on external infrastructure. I don't care if it's only a dollar a month, I won't do it.

MK14:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 12, 2021, 07:08:55 pm ---Call me old fashioned but I prefer a plain old metal key. Pulling a key out of my pocket and inserting it in a lock just never seemed like much of a burden to me.

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That can still go horribly wrong.
Many decades ago, cars typically didn't have central locking. But some cars (typically Japanese ones), had the feature, whereby (details possibly wrong, as it was a very long time ago) you could hold the outer door handle up, push the inner door lock stick up golf tee like button, and slam the drivers door locked. Without it automatically unlocking itself. Which was easier than having to lock it from the outside with the keys.

Which meant you could accidentally lock your car, with the ignition keys still in the ignition. Which was problematic. Meaning you had to walk or take public transport or something, to get the spare key.

james_s:

--- Quote from: MK14 on December 12, 2021, 07:16:32 pm ---That can still go horribly wrong.
Many decades ago, cars typically didn't have central locking. But some cars (typically Japanese ones), had the feature, whereby (details possibly wrong, as it was a very long time ago) you could hold the outer door handle up, push the inner door lock stick up golf tee like button, and slam the drivers door locked. Without it automatically unlocking itself. Which was easier than having to lock it from the outside with the keys.

Which meant you could accidentally lock your car, with the ignition keys still in the ignition. Which was problematic.

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Sure, if you actively try to do something stupid you can put yourself in a bad situation. I have exactly that setup in my cars, central locking with a key. It prevents you from locking the driver's door while the door is open but you can still do it with one of the other doors. For that reason I *always* lock it with the key and in ~25 years of driving cars I have never locked the keys inside.

I knew someone in high school who locked his keys in his car, with the engine running, and the stereo cranked up loud, parked in a staff parking spot.  :palm: :-DD

rstofer:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on December 12, 2021, 11:52:50 am ---You already have "subscription" keys from Honda, Toyota and others. They are designed to have you subscribe to replacing your remote as exorbitant prices, when they break.

GM keys here were ultrasonically welded so you cannot replace the battery.

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The fob for my Chevy Bolt is not welded, I have replaced the battery a couple of times over the past 5 years (I WAS using Amazon batteries).

The fob also contains a physical key should the car or fob battery die.  In addition, there is an RFID reader in the glove compartment that will sense the fob and allow the car to start even if the fob battery is dead.

No complaints from me!

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