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superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« on: April 20, 2023, 08:48:17 pm »
Today I tried this monster, and ...




... reached 73Km/h  :o :o :o :o :o

I am afraid it's too fast, and dual 1200W motors eats too much electricity
Flat battery after 50 km
I had to walk back
and that thing really weighs too much
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2023, 08:49:29 pm »
At least it didn't catch fire! :-DD

I find this a bit expensive for a chinese scooter.
 
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2023, 08:53:03 pm »
Just because it can go that fast doesn't mean you have to ride it that fast.
 
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2023, 08:55:04 pm »
On a private road I hope. These things are illegal to use on the public road in the UK and many other countries.

As a motorcyclist, I wouldn't feel safe on that thing. The wheels are far too small to be safe at that speed, especially on the UK roads which are full of potholes.
 
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2023, 09:32:27 pm »
I wouldn't be going that fast without a full face helmet and a bunch of padding.

1200Wh battery doesn't seem too bad though. 50km is more than I'd ever want to go in one ride.
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2023, 09:47:01 pm »
Just because it can go that fast doesn't mean you have to ride it that fast.

not my fault, I was testing the throttle  :-//
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2023, 09:48:04 pm »
I wouldn't be going that fast without a full face helmet and a bunch of padding.

yup! i wore them  :-+
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2023, 09:54:40 pm »
I wouldn't be going that fast without a full face helmet and a bunch of padding.

yup! i wore them  :-+

So was it just a test ride or do you own it? Are you going to get one for commuting.
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2023, 10:05:29 pm »
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2023, 10:36:19 pm »
So was it just a test ride or do you own it? Are you going to get one for commuting.

test ride :D

I need something slower, but able to cover 90 Km with one battery charge.
I am not sure I need two motors.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 11:41:44 pm »
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 11:54:31 pm »
JFC these things are free darwin award coupons.

Everything about these makes the stability awful. Tiny wheels, centre of gravity, handlebars and rake angle......

I got thrown off one of these things at 20kmh on the tiniest of bumps. Whats hilarious is that I rode over the same bump with my mountain bike and I could roll over it without even holding the handlebars. The difference in stability is night and day.

Unfortunately the world is full of darwin award candidates, and so the more people do stupid stuff on them, the more government and police attention it's going to bring to everyone else.

Also, I have come off a motorcycle and slid down the road at 80kmh. I had leathers with armor inserts. You wont be dressed like that on one of these scooters, and if you come off you can expect a serious hospital stay with skin grafts.
 

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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2023, 12:13:49 am »
I don't think two motors gets you too much other than faster acceleration. As long as you have braking on the front and back, which I'm sure all of the high end ones will.

The range is probably harder to find. They seem to top out around ~1500Wh.
This one is only 24kg weight, but looks cheaply made: https://www.voromotors.com/en-ca/products/emove-cruiser?ref=electricscooterinsider

Everything about these makes the stability awful. Tiny wheels, centre of gravity, handlebars and rake angle......

Yes the stability is crap, you 100% have to keep your hands on at all times.
I thought the small wheels were due to a legal requirement but here it is 430mm diameter maximum. Maybe in other countries they specify a smaller diameter?

OP may be better off with an e-bike, if the roads are rough, for sure.
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2023, 12:31:49 am »
Needs to be a 'Skip-Flyer' to be practical, as in those potholes mentioned...; Partial rolling, towards pothole surface defect, and then, turbine up to speed, it does a 32 foot span 'HOP' barely clearing any ground surfaces.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2023, 12:45:18 am »
Yes the stability is crap, you 100% have to keep your hands on at all times.

Yeah, and it gets even worse. On motorcycles and bicycles it's advantageous to not hold onto the handlebars too hard. This reduces fatigue, but also reduces the positive feedback loop between your hands/arms and the bars. Ie, when you hit bumps or uneveness, that shock gets sent through your arms and hands to the steering input, which then further upsets the bike.

On the death scooters, I found myself holding on far too hard to ensure bars didn't throw me off again. My hands and wrists got far too fatigued.
 
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2023, 01:41:39 am »
I thought the small wheels were due to a legal requirement but here it is 430mm diameter maximum. Maybe in other countries they specify a smaller diameter?
There are countries with more permissive lightweight vehicle standards/requirements (The Netherlands being one).
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2023, 01:48:38 am »
So was it just a test ride or do you own it? Are you going to get one for commuting.
I need something slower, but able to cover 90 Km with one battery charge.
That's into electric motorbike range, a 20kg battery is fairly impractical for most people on a bicycle or scooter.
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2023, 02:01:53 am »
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I need something slower, but able to cover 90 Km with one battery charge.
how about a carver,100km range,top speed 28mph,and you wont get wet
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2023, 03:24:07 am »
And good thing is that, while those scooters may not save you, they will save the planet!
 

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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2023, 07:35:05 am »
So was it just a test ride or do you own it? Are you going to get one for commuting.

test ride :D

I need something slower, but able to cover 90 Km with one battery charge.
I am not sure I need two motors.
Forget about getting anything like that, unless you're going to use it in a country where they're legal, or on private roads only.

If you have a motorcycle licence, I'm sure there are better options. If not and you don't want to take your motorcycle test, then get an ebike. In the UK, the law states motor can only pedal assist, up to 20kmph. They can be hacked for more of course, but you'll be in big trouble if you're caught.
 

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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2023, 03:43:56 am »
Forget about getting anything like that, unless you're going to use it in a country where they're legal, or on private roads only.

If you have a motorcycle licence, I'm sure there are better options. If not and you don't want to take your motorcycle test, then get an ebike. In the UK, the law states motor can only pedal assist, up to 20kmph. They can be hacked for more of course, but you'll be in big trouble if you're caught.

Do they actually enforce that over there? Here they are technically illegal to ride on public roads but that doesn't seem to stop anybody, and there are even rideshare scooters scattered all over downtown Seattle. I see people riding them in the street, on sidewalks and everywhere else, haven't heard of anyone being cited although that doesn't mean it never happens.
 

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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2023, 04:21:30 am »
Around here the cops wont really do anything unless you are being a dick about it, or doing something unsafe.
If you are on an e-scooter at high speed but are doing it safely and wearing good safety gear they will likely leave you alone or at worst just give you a warning for going a bit too fast.  Kinda the same with e-bikes, everyone has more watts than legal because the law has not been updated in ages but no one cares unless you're doing something unsafe.

An e-scooter accident at 50kph is going to be much worse than an e-bike accident at 50kph, simply because you are more likely to be thrown off and facepalm into the ground on a e-scooter.

So the risk is higher, but an e-scooter is far more portable and easier to take on the bus/train and into the office at work.
Really just a tradeoff you have to make.
But if using an e-scooter I would definitely recommend investing in a good quality helmet, gloves and whatever else would make it safer to be thrown off the thing at high speed.

I've wanted to get one for ages but every time I think about it I come to the same conclusion.
It would be used instead of walking, and walking/exercise is good.
So it... costs money, is dangerous, probably make me put on weight, might burn house down  ..verses..  It's fun to use.
The cost/benefit analysis seems a bit one sided
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2023, 06:39:22 am »
I don't see what's wrong with good old fashioned, HEALTHY cycling? I made this comment to someone last night - they agreed. Why do we need electric scooters? Kids used to BIKE everywhere years ago...
 
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Re: superfast (too fast?) electric scooters
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2023, 08:20:00 am »
The law isn't enforced very well here. I don't have a problem with people who only pose a risk to themselves. The problem is many of these idiots go on footpaths and pose a risk of pedestrians. Low power scooters and ebikes should be legalised, then there should be a clamp down on those who use them illegally.
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2023, 08:54:21 am »
I don't see what's wrong with good old fashioned, HEALTHY cycling? I made this comment to someone last night - they agreed. Why do we need electric scooters? Kids used to BIKE everywhere years ago...

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