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| CatalinaWOW:
Before I retired I worked in this industry. One of the things I took from that experience is that these systems work amazingly well. Fanboys of the various players in these games have many claims about whose work best, but the worst estimates by the opponents give terrible odds for survival if you are in something worth shooting at. Don't let your children grow up to drive tanks or airplanes. |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: jfiresto on December 04, 2023, 04:00:12 pm ---I understand another issue is that people are (were?) not getting enough time to learn the system which further lowers its success rate. --- End quote --- Early report, it has 93% hit rate, catapulting the T72 tower into low earth orbit. USA sent anywhere around 8000 of these, so you do the math. --- Quote from: u666sa on December 04, 2023, 03:43:34 pm ---Woooo. --- End quote --- I'll let someone else reply to this rambling. |
| jfiresto:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 04, 2023, 04:15:04 pm ---Early report, it has 93% hit rate, catapulting the T72 tower into low earth orbit. USA sent anywhere around 8000 of these, so you do the math. --- End quote --- I tried to drill down to the original report but it is blocked for the EU. As to insufficient training, from the Raytheon Missiles & Defense brochure, a feature of the Javelin is its need for: "Minimal training and certification requirements - only 72 hours of classroom training." Now should that have the usual meaning of 72 hours (9 full days) in the classroom or 3 days of class over 72 hours? Either is what I believe a lawyer would call "an admission against interest" if you are thinking of the old joke about the difference between sales and marketing. |
| u666sa:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 04, 2023, 04:15:04 pm ---Early report, it has 93% hit rate, catapulting the T72 tower into low earth orbit. --- End quote --- This is the result of your average hit. Analysis of this weapon -- https://topwar.ru/195237-jeffektivnost-ptrk-fgm-148-javelin.html "During its operation, the FGM-148 Javelin ATGM performed generally well. In some situations it fully realized its potential and even went beyond its original functions, while in others the results of its application left much to be desired. An analysis of the situation shows that the effectiveness of this ATGM depends not only on technical features and characteristics, but also on a number of other factors - from operator training to target design." "In general, despite all the limitations and problems, Javelin remains a modern and quite effective anti-tank missile system. Don't underestimate him or ignore the threat he poses. At the same time, placing unnecessary hopes on the complex and making it an object of worship is also not worth it. However, the Ukrainian approach with a “cult” and insufficient training of operators also has positive consequences. It reduces risk to our troops and makes demilitarization easier." --- Quote from: tszaboo on December 04, 2023, 04:15:04 pm ---I'll let someone else reply to this rambling. --- End quote --- I guess we should show what you wrote to admin. Name calling is against rules, as far as I know. You should read them -- https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/ |
| vad:
--- Quote from: u666sa on December 04, 2023, 03:43:34 pm ---Number 2) there is no need to reverse engineer this old stuff. Russia has much better systems which have destroyed both Leopards and Challengers. So much so that you don't see those tanks on battle field, they keep them back, because sending them forward means only only one thing. Now the hunt is for Abrams, again, not a single Abrams was seen at the front line, they keeping them waaaay back! --- End quote --- The only portable Russian-made ATGM mentioned on Wikipedia is the 9M133 Kornet. Unlike Javelin's top-attack fire-and-forget system, this Russian "analogovnet" relies on archaic laser beam-riding guidance. That said, if you blindly shell the enemy territory with one million artillery rounds obtained from North Korea, you do have a good chance of accidentally hitting M1A1 Abrams tanks provided by the USA to Ukraine. It took the Biden administration more than a year to strip down the 31 tanks of tungsten armor and advanced electronics, making them an easy target for North Korea's analogovnet artillery rounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_man-portable_anti-tank_systems |
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