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Koen:
Ridiculous, there's plenty of choice ! See this :

sokoloff:

--- Quote from: james_s on February 10, 2020, 05:17:57 pm ---That said, I struggle to think of any car made in the last 15 years that I would want if it were offered to me for free. The last 10 years especially, they seem to be in a race to design the most hideously ugly thing possible while also making it boring to drive. Modern cars just have no soul, they're all designed according to the same algorithms and they're all the same.

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If anyone's giving them away, I'd love to have a 997 Turbo [or even a 991 Turbo], 458, or 488.
GeorgeOfTheJungle:

--- Quote from: Bud on February 10, 2020, 03:20:05 pm ---It is the freedom to move which people like and want.

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Hear hear!
tooki:

--- Quote from: wraper on February 10, 2020, 04:12:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on February 10, 2020, 02:29:09 pm ---I guess it escaped your notice that Teslas are some of the very fastest street-legal cars in existence (as in acceleration, not maximum speed)?

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Model 3 performance can do 0-60 mph (0-95.5 kmh) in <3 seconds (3.2 advertised), top speed 162 mph (261 km/h).
Long range AWD 0-60 mph in 3.9s, top speed 233 kmh.
Standard Range Plus (which is the cheapest) 0-60 mph in 5.3s, top speed 225kmh
They were a bit less quick a year ago, but since then there were 2 software updates each increasing performance a bit.

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That's all true (and awesome), but I wasn't asking what the specs were. ;)
bdunham7:
I'm a bit late, but I wanted to add that the original controversy over the deletion of the Auto-Pilot would be an interesting discussion--if we actually had all the facts.  The original window sticker has been purportedly been shown as evidence of what the car had when originally sold and Tesla's actions have been compared to stealing wheels.  However...

First, the car was apparently originally sold with those options--this appears to be undisputed whether or not you believe that whatever version of the sticker you are looking at is genuine.  The one I saw appeared to have correct pricing for the options at the time.  The car then developed several defects that were not remedied and the owner demanded action under the California Song-Beverly act (lemon law).  Tesla took the car back and issued either a replacement or a refund--I believe it was a replacement, but I'm not sure.  At this point the car belongs to Tesla and they are free to remove options, whether it be AutoPilot or fancy wheels, before selling it or disposing of it how they see fit.

The car was then sold to an independent dealer at a wholesale auction, who then resold it to a customer.  Apparently the Autopilot functioned at the time of the wholesale transaction but stopped working shortly thereafter.  Here is where we run short of facts.  The sole issue as I see it would be what representations were made to the dealer by Tesla at the time of that sale.  If, as I suspect, essentially no representations were made but the dealer had the opportunity to inspect the car before bidding and determined that the car did have AutoPilot, then you have some interesting legal arguments.  On the other hand, if it was made clear by the seller that the car either did or didn't include AP, then the case is pretty simple.   It would be nice if the buyer(s) in this case would share this information instead of trying to whip up public outrage over what may be a weak or nonexistent case.

My takeaway from this is that Tesla may be ahead in technology, but they are behind the curve in other areas.  The whole CPO/used/lemon-law issue has to be as carefully managed as any other aspect of the business and there's plenty of other indications that they lack the capacity to do this well.
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