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| Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 11, 2020, 05:06:16 pm --- --- Quote from: edy on February 11, 2020, 12:50:13 pm ---They could even charge you based on number of miles or minutes the autopilot feature is engaged. For example it would be like paying for a "private driver" or taxi service. Every time it is engaged the meter starts ticking. Maybe a flat monthly rate plus usage fees. If you never use it you pay minimal maintenance software fees just for having the convenience of it being instantly available. If you use it a lot (and perhaps increase liability risk to Tesla in case of a problem) then you pay a greater share for the autopilot "program". Again this would fall better perhaps into other subscription based services and not this one-time upfront purchase on a car... it could perhaps solve issues like the one discussed in this thread and other potential problems Tesla and drivers could face in the future. --- End quote --- By that time we'll have open source self driving car software. --- End quote --- Umm. Nope. Government mandated emissions controls and safety requirements will make sure that open source never happens. unless you're willing to spend say, $2,000,000 to PROVE that your open source car meets those requirements. Frankly I'd be happen if there was open source for the AC control or the radio in my vehicle but I haven't even seen that yet. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on February 11, 2020, 06:03:37 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 11, 2020, 05:06:16 pm --- --- Quote from: edy on February 11, 2020, 12:50:13 pm ---They could even charge you based on number of miles or minutes the autopilot feature is engaged. For example it would be like paying for a "private driver" or taxi service. Every time it is engaged the meter starts ticking. Maybe a flat monthly rate plus usage fees. If you never use it you pay minimal maintenance software fees just for having the convenience of it being instantly available. If you use it a lot (and perhaps increase liability risk to Tesla in case of a problem) then you pay a greater share for the autopilot "program". Again this would fall better perhaps into other subscription based services and not this one-time upfront purchase on a car... it could perhaps solve issues like the one discussed in this thread and other potential problems Tesla and drivers could face in the future. --- End quote --- By that time we'll have open source self driving car software. --- End quote --- Umm. Nope. Government mandated emissions controls and safety requirements will make sure that open source never happens. unless you're willing to spend say, $2,000,000 to PROVE that your open source car meets those requirements. Frankly I'd be happen if there was open source for the AC control or the radio in my vehicle but I haven't even seen that yet. --- End quote --- Maybe some day somebody will reinvent the DIN slot, it was specifically designed to allow people to install whatever radio they want. I'm sure it's wishful thinking but I'd love to see a trend toward minimalist cars. I don't mean just removing all the useful controls from the dash to make it look "clean" then hiding everything in a Byzantine menu structure on a TFT, I mean a stripped down basic car that you could customize to your liking, the way it used to be to some degree. Car makers wonder why millennials don't seem to care about cars. Why would they care? Cars are boring now, they're just transportation appliances, you can choose between differently shapes fake styling elements glued to the outside and that's about it. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 10, 2020, 09:08:02 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on February 10, 2020, 08:51:09 pm ---Yes car design is encumbered by overregulation of almost every aspect but more so than that the design is driven by fads. Tell me what physics demands rudiculous 20" rims with rubber band tires on a family car. What requirements mandate every car be styled as huge tall fake SUV? Cars look the way they are because they have been optimized to appeal to the broadest range of consumers possible, the middle of the bell curve, the ubiquitous crossover --- End quote --- If this where true then every manufacturer would just make one model. The reality is that all manufacturers make a broad range of cars and for some models even a sedan, station wagon and hatchback. And then there are also manufacturers (Volkswagen, PSA) who make cars under several brands which all aim at the same market segment. SUVs (I think it stands for 'Slow Use Vehicles' because everyone seems to drive them slow) are just a part of the range. --- End quote --- They practically do. Have you not noticed that the bulk of what most makes offer are 2-3 different sizes of very similar looking crossovers? On the bus to and from work I observe a sea of virtually identical looking fake SUVs. Occasionally there is the rare thing that is a bit different, the current fads still mandate an absurdly huge fake grill and ridiculously big wheels on thin tires that give a harsh ride and you blow the tire and bend a rim if you hit a pot hole though so that kills any interest I'd have. I just hope I can keep finding 80s-90s cars for as long as I need a car, otherwise I'll have to hold my nose and pick up some newer shitbox to have as a daily beater. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: james_s on February 12, 2020, 02:53:54 am ---They practically do. Have you not noticed that the bulk of what most makes offer are 2-3 different sizes of very similar looking crossovers? On the bus to and from work I observe a sea of virtually identical looking fake SUVs. Occasionally there is the rare thing that is a bit different, the current fads still mandate an absurdly huge fake grill and ridiculously big wheels on thin tires that give a harsh ride and you blow the tire and bend a rim if you hit a pot hole though so that kills any interest I'd have. I just hope I can keep finding 80s-90s cars for as long as I need a car, otherwise I'll have to hold my nose and pick up some newer shitbox to have as a daily beater. --- End quote --- Even if it wasn't a hyperbole it seems odd to knock vehicles due to a part that's easy and cheap to change even for non tinkerers. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: james_s on February 12, 2020, 02:45:50 am ---[Car makers wonder why millennials don't seem to care about cars. Why would they care? Cars are boring now, they're just transportation appliances, you can choose between differently shapes fake styling elements glued to the outside and that's about it. --- End quote --- Millennials don’t care about new cars because they don’t have the money for new cars. It’s not their fault they graduated into an economy that screwed them [over] from the front AND back... |
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