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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!
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wraper:

--- Quote from: Marco on April 23, 2021, 01:26:00 pm ---Even the biggest nitwit knows a normal car can't drive itself, I can forgive people for people assuming a car with Full Self Driving beta pretty much can.

That's why level 3 is a mistake. Level 3 autonomous systems should only be allowed with professional safety drivers supervised by systems so incredibly annoying (ie. no eyes on the road -> immediate safety buzzer) only a paycheck would convince you to abide by them. No automatic lanekeeping either outside of emergencies, if you drift slowly out of a lane and it intervenes you should know it and not like it ... all automation which allows you to take eyes off the road and stop active steering should be so annoying you don't want to have it kick in, until the car can actually drive itself. Level 4 or bust.

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FSD beta is only available to a small number of individuals. Those who abuse it, get banned from using it.
Marco:
Using it is abusing it, it's legal but it shouldn't be. The level of annoyance necessary to make this systems safe to test simply isn't there. The level of annoyance necessary to make their old level 3 automation safe to use isn't there either.

They are creating new significant failure modes (ie. more collisions with static objects, due to the inability of radar to detect them and visual identification creating too many false positives to be usable). That's unacceptable to me, they should be making existing failure modes less likely, not creating new ones.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: wraper on April 23, 2021, 11:52:13 am ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 23, 2021, 07:53:34 am ---If you don't sufficiently defend against something, you can be sure that some moron is going to do it.  :palm:

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If you are dumb enough, you can easily make any car drive without anyone being present on driver seat, no autopilot needed. Which seems to be this particular case.

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Unfortunately, stupidity seems to be a nearly infinite natural resource!  :D
james_s:
Any automated system that requires a human operator to be available to take over immediately in the event that the automation cannot handle a situation is fatally flawed by design. It is a well known fact of human psychology that if you take away the requirement for the brain to focus on something, it will find something else to focus on instead and will not be ready to take over. If you have to maintain a level of focus that would enable taking over then the system is completely useless.

If I'm driving a car, I just want to DRIVE the car. The less gadgets and gimmicks between me and the road the better.
Gyro:
No, I can't think of anything more boring or annoying than having to pay close attention to the road without physically having anything to do. Especially when I might be called to action at any moment.

Things like a nice warning that I'm drifting out of lane are good, it prompts me that my attention is wandering.
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