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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!
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wraper:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 24, 2021, 12:00:52 am ---Personally I don't want either one, I want a simple car with a proper manual gearbox so I focus 100% on *driving* the car when I'm behind the wheel.

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That's certainly a pure pleasure when you are slowly moving in congestion.
Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: Gyro on April 23, 2021, 08:36:08 pm ---No, I can't think of anything more boring or annoying than having to pay close attention to the road without physically having anything to do. Especially when I might be called to action at any moment.

Things like a nice warning that I'm drifting out of lane are good, it prompts me that my attention is wandering.

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It's a bit like having to sit in the passenger seat with an elderly parent driving. Some of you would know what I'm talking about. Often you just want to drive the car yourself. But what if the driver claims competency and pulls rank anyway?

I think this is the way the car companies will lead with their automation. They do already, by proxy, bully the owner into believing the the car knows better. Will come a day when the car will deny you intention to drive. And you won't be able to tell it to fuck off and sit in the other seat.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: wraper on April 24, 2021, 12:55:40 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on April 24, 2021, 12:00:52 am ---Personally I don't want either one, I want a simple car with a proper manual gearbox so I focus 100% on *driving* the car when I'm behind the wheel.

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That's certainly a pure pleasure when you are slowly moving in congestion.

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OK, we need a few ingredients:  a nice place to go, a proper stick shift, a babe sitting next to you, convertible roof, 1KW stereo...   25 years off your age wouldn't hurt either...  :D
james_s:

--- Quote from: wraper on April 24, 2021, 12:55:40 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on April 24, 2021, 12:00:52 am ---Personally I don't want either one, I want a simple car with a proper manual gearbox so I focus 100% on *driving* the car when I'm behind the wheel.

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That's certainly a pure pleasure when you are slowly moving in congestion.

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Slowing moving in congestion is a drag no matter what. I've been driving a manual for over 20 years, every now and then I have to drive something with a slushbox, it makes no difference in heavy traffic but any other situation the manual is hugely superior.
BrianHG:

--- Quote from: windsmurf on July 13, 2019, 04:55:15 am ---Elon Musk shakes up Tesla Autopilot team after growing frustrated with the group’s progress
https://bgr.com/2019/07/09/tesla-autopilot-team-elon-musk-shakes-up/

Musk's decision not to implement LIDAR in Teslas may be backfiring.

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Tesla's by my count has less than 1/100th the required processing power to run full self driving as reliably as a human using just cameras.

Also, their method/scope of training also way too narrow focused just so they can get something barely functional with such small narrow minded neuro-net processor.

Full self driving will soon one day come, but, I think with Elon's narrow scope of the true development and processing requirements, he will end up falling to a newer generation/company who will bring the real thing to fruition unless he changes his business practices and truly pays/invests special attention to the authentic scope of the problem at hand.  Anything he claims his current Tesla's will be able to perform true self driving is just an investor sales pitch which will never be truly delivered without user's lives being placed at risk.
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