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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!
SilverSolder:
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Old school manuals are slowly disappearing in favour of paddle shifted "manumatics" and the like...
All part of justifying why the average price of a new car has passed $38K... there has to be some tech in there to justify it! :D
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When I was in England, manuals were -everywhere-. I asked around and the reason I was given was that the manual goes back decades. Nobody bought the automatic because you'd spend that extra money on other features. Or save the money, of course.
I'm wondering if is still the case and if the non-essential high-tech in cars there might be overlooked.
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Yep, most European countries like their manual transmissions. They work better with the often small, fuel sipping engines than slushboxes do.
The US has always preferred automatics with their bigger cars, bigger engines, and bigger roads, and less "work" to drive.
What do people prefer in Australia?
BrianHG:
--- Quote from: wraper on April 25, 2021, 12:43:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on April 25, 2021, 04:05:03 am ---Tesla's by my count has less than 1/100th the required processing power to run full self driving as reliably as a human using just cameras.
Also, their method/scope of training also way too narrow focused just so they can get something barely functional with such small narrow minded neuro-net processor.
Full self driving will soon one day come, but, I think with Elon's narrow scope of the true development and processing requirements, he will end up falling to a newer generation/company who will bring the real thing to fruition unless he changes his business practices and truly pays/invests special attention to the authentic scope of the problem at hand. Anything he claims his current Tesla's will be able to perform true self driving is just an investor sales pitch which will never be truly delivered without user's lives being placed at risk.
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Are you an expert in AI?
All that is required to make a regular car drive without driver present on a seat.
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Not an expert, but I know enough to see that you need more that just the ability to recognize the road, people, obstructions, lanes, sign recognition, driving rules, map reading. Having all the basic functions is not enough tied to cameras and scene recognition isn't enough. They are missing the multiple abstract point of views which such a small processor can handle. Like, what would happen in a situation where you need to merge in traffic, but the other drivers on the road are being pricks because they know they can break some driving rules and get away with it while they know Tesla's driving AI will not break the rules, never giving it a chance to merge, or since the AI wont aggressively push itself into an intersection at the end of a traffic light cycle to make a left turn where is some circumstance no one would allow it to get a chance at a left turn.
Also, all the firing of the managers for Elon's self driving AI is also suspicious that they already know certain limits have been reached with the existing hardware in his cars. We have been promised for years ago by Elon that it would already be here, and yet a human driver still needs to be present and in control of the wheel.
Like I said, true autonomous driving is coming, but it's beginning to look like it wont come from the existing Teslas.
wraper:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on April 25, 2021, 01:52:42 pm ---They are missing the multiple abstract point of views which such a small processor can handle.
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It's not small by any means and there are 2 of them. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/tesla_(car_company)/fsd_chip
--- Quote ---to run full self driving as reliably as a human using just cameras.
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It's a pretty low standard considering that most of the humans make a lot of mistakes, are inattentive, or drive outright erratic.
--- Quote ---Also, all the firing of the managers for Elon's self driving AI is also suspicious
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The same was done with Starlink due to insufficient development speed. Fired managers were hired by Amazon for project Kuiper, and it does not seem they are moving anywhere fast enough. By the time they will launch anything, they will be not needed since Starlink will take over all of the market.
BrianHG:
--- Quote from: wraper on April 25, 2021, 02:33:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: BrianHG on April 25, 2021, 01:52:42 pm ---They are missing the multiple abstract point of views which such a small processor can handle.
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It's not small by any means and there are 2 of them. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/tesla_(car_company)/fsd_chip
--- Quote ---to run full self driving as reliably as a human using just cameras.
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It's a pretty low standard considering that most of the humans make a lot of mistakes, are inattentive, or drive outright erratic.
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:palm: Make that at least 250x if not 500x more processing power power required.
You are interpreting my comments at the wrong level and like Elon, missing the true requirements of a system required to out-perform a human when said human isn't making any mistakes.
wraper:
--- Quote from: BrianHG on April 25, 2021, 03:00:16 pm ---:palm: Make that at least 250x if not 500x more processing power power required.
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Frankly you are just pulling numbers out of your ass.
--- Quote ---You are interpreting my comments at the wrong level and like Elon, missing the true requirements of a system required to out-perform a human when said human isn't making any mistakes.
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It needs to be better than a real average human. Not better than an idolized flawless human who does not exist.
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