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SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: coppice on June 30, 2022, 01:11:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on June 29, 2022, 11:24:29 pm ---Where I am they now place a distinction on your licence if you didn't learn (or pass the exam) in an manual. In other words, you cannot drive a manual unless qualified.

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In the UK, and many other places, if you pass your test in an automatic, you cannot drive a manual car. They are two completely separate classes of licence. People visiting the UK, who try to rent a car, often have hassle, because the rental companies have very few automatics in their fleet.

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Seems a bit restrictive?  - after all, many can (and do) learn to drive a manual after taking their test...
Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 30, 2022, 08:38:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 30, 2022, 01:11:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on June 29, 2022, 11:24:29 pm ---Where I am they now place a distinction on your licence if you didn't learn (or pass the exam) in an manual. In other words, you cannot drive a manual unless qualified.

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In the UK, and many other places, if you pass your test in an automatic, you cannot drive a manual car. They are two completely separate classes of licence. People visiting the UK, who try to rent a car, often have hassle, because the rental companies have very few automatics in their fleet.

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Seems a bit restrictive?  - after all, many can (and do) learn to drive a manual after taking their test...

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In that case you have to update the licence conditions. Here, you attain qualifications if you can ride a motorcycle or a operate a heavy vehicle or you can have a conditional licence where you require glasses.

But yes, the drive a manual condition is very discriminatory. We all know that it shouldn't be an issue if the driver is male.
coppice:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 30, 2022, 08:38:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 30, 2022, 01:11:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on June 29, 2022, 11:24:29 pm ---Where I am they now place a distinction on your licence if you didn't learn (or pass the exam) in an manual. In other words, you cannot drive a manual unless qualified.

--- End quote ---
In the UK, and many other places, if you pass your test in an automatic, you cannot drive a manual car. They are two completely separate classes of licence. People visiting the UK, who try to rent a car, often have hassle, because the rental companies have very few automatics in their fleet.

--- End quote ---

Seems a bit restrictive?  - after all, many can (and do) learn to drive a manual after taking their test...

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Then they have to put "L" plates on the car while learning to drive a manual, and you have to take the driving test again in a manual car. Its just like upgrading to any "higher" kind of licence, like one of the various truck driving licences.

There is a weird thing in the UK licence conditions. You can drive a delivery van with a car licence, but not a large truck. That seems reasonable. However, you can also drive a full sized double decker bus with a car licence, as long as nobody on board pays. If anyone pays anything for their ride you need a "public service vehicle" licence, where you get tested driving actual buses.
james_s:

--- Quote from: nctnico on June 30, 2022, 12:35:33 pm ---Having driven mostly manual cars I'd say having an automatic gearbox would be better. In the end shifting gears manually is just a tedious job.

What you likely mean is that driver's training in the US should be taken more seriously and the bar to pass the theoretical and practical exams should be set higher so the quality of driving skills improves.

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No, I mean exactly what I said, learning to shift a manual gearbox should be required. Almost all cars here are automatic, I hate them, absolutely can't stand the feel, I like shifting gears, it feels like *driving*, with an automatic you just kind of aim. I hate that mushy, slushy disconnected feel and the car trying to guess what I want. A manual is especially beneficial in the snow as it offers much more control, and in mountainous areas such as where I live where it offers far superior engine braking when going down a mountain pass. When I got the car I currently have I could only find one with an automatic, so I yanked it out and replaced it with the manual gearbox and associated parts from the car that got wrecked. I'll give up a manual gearbox when I eventually get an EV.
SiliconWizard:
Over here, automatic cars are the exception rather than the rule. I wonder what made them this popular in the US? What's the history behind it?
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