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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!

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nctnico:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 02, 2022, 09:21:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 30, 2022, 12:35:33 pm ---Having driven mostly manual cars I'd say having an automatic gearbox would be better. In the end shifting gears manually is just a tedious job.

What you likely mean is that driver's training in the US should be taken more seriously and the bar to pass the theoretical and practical exams should be set higher so the quality of driving skills improves.

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No, I mean exactly what I said, learning to shift a manual gearbox should be required. Almost all cars here are automatic, I hate them, absolutely can't stand the feel, I like shifting gears, it feels like *driving*, with an automatic you just kind of aim. I hate that mushy, slushy disconnected feel and the car trying to guess what I want.

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Sorry but I still don't see how others besides you would benefit from needing to learn how to drive a manual car. It is like saying everyone should love apple pie for no good reason.

tom66:
It's a useful skill if you need to drive a van or borrow someone's car, which might happen to be manual, but in this day and age automatics shift just as well if not better than any manual car.  I definitely prefer driving auto.  But if I had a 20yr old car I doubt I'd like it so much.  I still remember my mother's Opel/Vauxhall Astra with its 3-speed automatic, bloody awful thing.

james_s:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 05, 2022, 12:15:31 pm ---I think you just nailed the use case for gasoline:   Low miles driven.   

The overall costs are what matter.   E.g. I recently bought an older used "primitive" gasoline car for $5000...  it is in beautiful shape, no rust, low miles, comfortable, quiet.   Sure, it drinks copious quantities of gasoline costing $5 per gallon...   but on the other hand, there are no monthly car payments,  and very little depreciation. 

Electric cars just haven't been around long enough (in large enough quantities) to be able to do something similar with one of those...   but the day will come, of course.

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Electric cars could be found cheaply for a while too, my dad sold a Nissan Leaf for $5,000 when he got his Tesla Y, he offered it to me for free but at the time my household had three cars with two people and I was already hardly driving anywhere. You have a point though in that one is unlikely to find something with a >100 mile range in that price class so if they need range then gas powered is probably the way to go. On the other hand there are people like a friend of mine who commutes ~60 miles each way 5 days a week, she bought a Tesla and it costs peanuts to drive and with the standard 240V charging cord she charges it in the driveway. At today's gas prices down there in California it would cost a fortune to drive even a hybrid. They are not THAT much better on fuel than a conventional ICE, on the highway they are nearly the same, where they excel is stop & go city traffic.

I love my Volvo turbo wagon, it's the perfect blend of sports car, pickup truck and minivan, more cargo space than most midsized SUVs while having nearly as much ground clearance and still being low enough that I can load large items on a clamp on roof rack without needing a stool. There is simply nothing on the market that can replace it in all applications so I stick with it. If it were reasonably feasible to swap in a Tesla powertrain I would be all over that though.

james_s:

--- Quote from: nctnico on July 05, 2022, 04:03:08 pm ---Sorry but I still don't see how others besides you would benefit from needing to learn how to drive a manual car. It is like saying everyone should love apple pie for no good reason.

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Because if they do it then they have had exposure to it, and then more people would choose it and there would be more manual cars available. It's a good skill to have, it's not like it's hard to do, if my technologically inept elderly mother can drive a manual with ease then so can anyone else. It's not saying everyone should love apple pie, it's saying everyone should try apple pie, if they don't love it they can eat something else. Likewise in school we all have to learn some things that we might not ever use again, because the point of school is to get a well rounded education and get a taste of everything. They eliminated shop class from most schools years ago and now they wonder why there is a shortage of tradespeople.

People who drive manual transmissions are more skilled, more aware, more engaged and attentive drivers. With a manual you cannot mistake the gas for the brake and plow through the wall of a building as happens too often. When you are busy driving with both hands you are forced to pay attention and put down the damn smartphone and focus on driving. I believe that when one is driving a car, they should be 100% focused on *driving* the car. All these gadgets that are supposed to make driving safer mostly just enable people to focus on anything but controlling the several thousand pound machine they are rolling around in.

RJSV:
???    What's the trend, then, starting of at '25 years payback', today?
   I mean, will that 'COME DOWN',... To what ..
   '$ 18 years, to payback...'.  In, say 2033, ?

This is Circus Grifter Math.  How about replace words like 'soon to improve' with, uh, numbers...(sorry), ...uh, numbers, (sorry, sorry).
   What exotic metal shortages forecast ? OK then, let's all Tesla-up!  I'm getting mine used, I hear..
At bargain price, just wait...hopefully not 25 years.

   I only play a fool, in a couple of movies.

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