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| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 05, 2022, 05:27:31 pm ---[...] They eliminated shop class from most schools years ago and now they wonder why there is a shortage of tradespeople. [...] --- End quote --- Despite going in the academic direction, I took all the shop classes back in high school. That's where I met some of the best teachers and made some of my best friends. - dropping all the manual skills was/is a huge mistake, there is only so much you can learn from Youtube! :D |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: RJHayward on July 05, 2022, 11:14:42 pm ---??? What's the trend, then, starting of at '25 years payback', today? I mean, will that 'COME DOWN',... To what .. '$ 18 years, to payback...'. In, say 2033, ? This is Circus Grifter Math. How about replace words like 'soon to improve' with, uh, numbers...(sorry), ...uh, numbers, (sorry, sorry). What exotic metal shortages forecast ? OK then, let's all Tesla-up! I'm getting mine used, I hear.. At bargain price, just wait...hopefully not 25 years. I only play a fool, in a couple of movies. --- End quote --- The first factor is that the investment vehicles (cars!) are designed for a life of 100,000 miles or 10 years, whichever comes first. That's built into the specification of every component on the vehicle (except wear parts like brake linings, 12V battery, etc.) . Pretty much all factory and extended warranties stop at that point, if not before. That's the realm of "new" or "newish" cars, I hope we can agree. Once a car has survived beyond its design life, the economics favor reliable and robust designs that don't rust, with good parts availability both from the manufacturer and secondary sources. This kind of car can be very economical to own, as in less than $50 per month depreciation (e.g. buy a car for $5000 and keep it for 10 years). Another economical way to go is to buy a newish car and keep it for even longer... e.g. buy a car for $12,000 and keep it for 15 or 20 years! Here is where electric cars may not work so well, if they are going to be needing expensive batteries every so often. Still unknown! |
| tom66:
I think there will end up being a pretty healthy battery rebuild and replacement market as EVs become more commonplace. What will be important is for battery cells and modules to be available from manufacturers for a reasonable price. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:13 pm ---I think there will end up being a pretty healthy battery rebuild and replacement market as EVs become more commonplace. What will be important is for battery cells and modules to be available from manufacturers for a reasonable price. --- End quote --- My advice when buying an electric car (whether it is hybrid, battery only or fuel cell) is to research if the battery is made up of modules which can be changed individually. That way a repair of a battery is not that expensive to begin with and you may not need the dealer to do this job. At this moment I'm seeing prices in the 800 euro ballpark for a refurbished battery pack for common Toyota hybrids. |
| tom66:
Also compatibility between vehicles. People have figured out you can put the 40kWh battery from a newer Leaf into an older 24kWh one and it more or less works - the only bug is the range-o-meter can't show all the digits! |
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