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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!
wilfred:
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--- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2019, 06:39:37 pm ---It will be trivial for people to troll autonomous cars and exploit their predictable behavior and I suspect a lot of people will make a game of it.
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You could do that now!
You could put a brick in a paper bag and trick people into running over it. You could turn around signs to point the wrong way on dangerous corners. There are many ways to “troll” human drivers.
But guess what? People on the whole aren’t psychopaths and aren’t running around trying to cause car accidents by exploiting weaknesses in whatever way cars are currently driven.
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A nice juicy bug in the LIDAR sensor ought to do it.
james_s:
I just don't see it happening for a long time. It can be done with great difficulty in carefully controlled environments but out in the real world there are too many edge cases to consider. A friend of mine predicts that at some point one of these companies will get 99% of the way there, release a bunch of self driving cars to the market and within a short time there will be several big incidents that kill a bunch of people and that will be game over for a while. I tend to agree.
Regarding trolling, there is something inherently more appealing about messing with machines it seems, there is no shortage of examples of people hacking stuff and inconveniencing people just for giggles. I don't think there will be a lot of people maliciously trying to hurt people but I would certainly expect to see jammers that cause the cars to stop or people putting stickers on speed limit signs to make the cars slow down. It doesn't matter that most people don't do these things, it takes only a few who do. It's almost impossible to merge in many areas, I suspect the machines will not be aggressive enough and will frequently get stuck trying to merge onto busy freeways. Then there is all the accidental stuff like debris or spills in the road that obscure lane markings or snow, that will be a blast watching a bunch of self driving cars try to navigate a snow storm.
SilverSolder:
Then there are the inevitable young guys that will find ways to hack their AI cars to snake its way through busy downtown traffic at breakneck speed, with millimeters of safety distances for passing and merging! [Hmmm sounds kind of fun!]
Elon, if you are reading, this is how we need self driving cars to perform:
wraper:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2019, 10:58:22 pm ---
Then there are the inevitable young guys that will find ways to hack their AI cars to snake its way through busy downtown traffic at breakneck speed, with millimeters of safety distances for passing and merging! [Hmmm sounds kind of fun!]
Elon, if you are reading, this is how we need self driving cars to perform:
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And how they are supposed to hack it? They spent some serious effort to ensure that self driving processors won't run firmware not signed by Tesla. That's discussed in the video.
Marco:
--- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2019, 08:10:05 pm ---release a bunch of self driving cars to the market and within a short time there will be several big incidents that kill a bunch of people and that will be game over for a while. I tend to agree.
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Tesla could crash at any moment now because of autopilot, that it has only killed drivers as of yet is a miracle ... first innocent is going to tank them, if it's a first responder in the US it could easily end up with Tesla management going to jail.
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