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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!
Marco:
--- Quote from: Dubbie on April 25, 2019, 05:54:42 am ---Training NN with a constant stream of real automatically annotated data is a pretty huge thing. nobody else has that. Like they said, it's the long tail of rare events that cause problems. Look at the lady crossing the road carrying her bike that was killed. Having a NN that is trained well enough to deal with odd scenarios like that requires absolute torrents of real world data.
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Pattern recognition only gets you so far, at some point a system has to start reasoning about and modelling the world ... a non recurrent neural network will never have enough training. We have no idea to train a recurrent network to be as good at problem solving as a dog, let alone have it drive a car.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2019, 06:39:37 pm ---I think we are still at least 10 years away from fullly autonomous cars, possibly longer. Driving a car outside of carefully controlled conditions is just too complex of a task.
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Driving a car is also a complex task for many people. However one of the problems to overcome is not just driving but also positioning. For driving in a city self driving cars need a much better way than GPS to get their position. Still there is also other technology on the way. The EU has standarised the method cars should use for vehicle to vechicle communication. For example: Volvo is going to release a system where cars warn eachother for the road conditions ahead. That is like looking around a corner. Seems very useful to me. On some highways there are relatively sharp bends in which you can't see what is ahead of you. I try to use the brake lights of other cars as an early warning system but that only goes so far.
wilfred:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on April 25, 2019, 10:58:22 pm ---
Elon, if you are reading, this is how we need self driving cars to perform:
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On a racetrack perhaps. Why can't they develop a F1 car and enter it into the race? Win an F1 race, just one, and I might start to believe. It has to be easier than driving in traffic, for a machine.
m98:
--- Quote from: wilfred on April 26, 2019, 12:15:03 am ---On a racetrack perhaps. Why can't they develop a F1 car and enter it into the race? Win an F1 race, just one, and I might start to believe. It has to be easier than driving in traffic, for a machine.
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It would be relatively trivial, but won't be allowed for F1 and won't bring anyone enough money to do it. But there are some autonomous cars in Formula E:
maginnovision:
They've sort of done autonomous race cars before in Fe. Last one I saw was drastically slower than a human but pretty good. I have made a scale one which isn't that fast but I know someone who made one that can go faster than either of us can drive.
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