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| Rick Law:
--- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2019, 06:39:37 pm ---I wish they would focus on making innovative high performance and practical EVs. I could not care less about self driving, the whole point of owning a personal car is that I get to drive it, when I don't feel like driving, I take the bus which is a much more efficient way of moving people. I think we are still at least 10 years away from fullly autonomous cars, possibly longer. Driving a car outside of carefully controlled conditions is just too complex of a task. Computers are good at the mechanical aspect but way back when I took drivers ed I remember the instructor emphasizing that driving is primarily a social activity and computers still utterly fail when it comes to nuanced social interactions. It will be trivial for people to troll autonomous cars and exploit their predictable behavior and I suspect a lot of people will make a game of it. --- End quote --- I think there is some truth in driving being a social activity. Understanding how people behave helps to avoid inter-human conflict. Accidents at times are just such conflict that both want to be at that lane at that position at that time. One particular day when I was teaching my kid how to drive, I saw something and told her: (distilled since I can't show how I was pointing with my hand) watch out - that yellow car on your right that just passed you, he is going to cut in front of the car ahead of you and then cut over again all the way to the far left lane. About 15-30 seconds later, that yellow car did exactly that. My kid was prepared and didn't slam into the car in front of her when it was braking hard to avoid the yellow car. Based on the layout of cars around me, and based on how this yellow car driver behaved starting from how he was in my rear-view mirror, I knew exactly how he was going to act before his car shown any signs of doing it. I think anyone with 10 years or so of driving experience would be able to do the same. No different than most girls would know "that boy is going to hit on me" way before he tries to throw the first pass. This types of road experience and behavior(s) of other drivers may be "handled" by self-driving cars in the future, but it is not there today. It (in my opinion) is still only living in a world that small surprises will throw it into a big electro-pyschosis in its CPU brain. As to "I wish they would focus on making innovative high performance and practical EVs." While self-driving cars may be the future, for now, I think they need to focus on making a reliable car. According to Consumers Report (which many in the USA who grew up before the internet would swear by) in October, Tesla-branded cars in general had dropped to third-worst in reliability, with only Cadillac and Volvo lower[1]. Reference [1] LA Times, Feb 2019 article: "Tesla Model 3 can no longer be recommended, says Consumer Reports" https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model3-cr-unreliable-20190221-story.html |
| MT:
Very interesting video , but i wonder how the software/system will handle full snow/sand/rain storm. Perhaps just stop as some human do and wait for better whether or let the human take over, not much neural network calculus needed for such a decision. Another issue are AU road trains, whenever a jumpy jumps in front of one the train just runs it over else the whole train will tumble over so Tesla neural system needs to implement a "kill a jumpy" code. How will the system detect and avoid potholes from shadows that look exactly like potholes or black ice conditions from oil/water etc and perfectly dry roads, or just combinations of all and everything, pothole+snows storm+moose+drunk driver. |
| apis:
Self driving cars don't have to be better than human drivers in every way, only when it comes to safety, in other respects they just have to be "good enough". If the cars need operator intervention every now and then it wouldn't be a big problem, as long as it doesn't happens too often. As long as self driving cars are sufficiently convenient and cost efficient it is going to be the preferred option. Public transportation with bus isn't necessarily more efficient than an on-demand taxi service. During rush hours when busses are full they probably are more efficient, but when the busses are mostly empty, a taxi service would be more efficient. Self driving cars don't have to be able to drive in snow yet, it just means there are places and times where they can't operate currently, but there are enough places without snow that it isn't going to slow down progress. |
| james_s:
No it really is a big, BIG problem if they need human intervention EVER. It is a well documented fact that when something rarely requires our full attention the brain quickly finds other things to focus on and then when something does happen we have completely lost situational awareness. This is the reason that they have technology in trains that requires the operator to take some action on a regular basis to make sure they have not zoned out. A self driving car absolutely must be able to deal with all sorts of edge cases because things happen. Debris on the road, spills, unpredictable or erratic behavior by other drivers, confusing signs, a single incident where one of these cars gets confused and veers off the road into a crowd of pedestrians could easily put the company out of business under the weight of lawsuits and bad publicity. It doesn't matter if ultimately fewer total people are killed by the driverless cars, people don't focus on that. Personally I'd love to see a lot less distracting tech in cars, and if it were up to me I'd make manual gearbox proficiency mandatory to get a driver's license. I'm quite convinced that it makes people more engaged and attentive drivers and I loathe slushboxes to the point that I wish they had never been invented, they're silly devices for lazy people. The more assistive tech a car has, the more that tech becomes a crutch and enables people to do all manner of things except for driving the damn car. I ride the bus to work and I see it many times every day, people cruising down the highway playing with their smartphone, eating, putting on makeup, while blasting down the highway in a 4,000+ lb machine. |
| tox3:
Amazing how involved Elon is in technology --- Quote from: james_s on April 26, 2019, 06:19:50 am ---Personally I'd love to see a lot less distracting tech in cars, and if it were up to me I'd make manual gearbox proficiency mandatory to get a driver's license. I'm quite convinced that it makes people more engaged and attentive drivers and I loathe slushboxes to the point that I wish they had never been invented, they're silly devices for lazy people. The more assistive tech a car has, the more that tech becomes a crutch and enables people to do all manner of things except for driving the damn car. I ride the bus to work and I see it many times every day, people cruising down the highway playing with their smartphone, eating, putting on makeup, while blasting down the highway in a 4,000+ lb machine. --- End quote --- In highway driving there is not a large difference between manual and automatic transmissions. But people are really stupid and does all kinds of stupid stuff behind the wheel. |
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