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Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) info - interesting stuff!

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apis:

--- Quote from: wraper on May 02, 2019, 11:24:06 pm ---I don't say it should be error free but relying on precision maps is a kind of dead end approach. You can get stellar results when in perfect environment but when it comes to real life, it will kinda suck. They report low number of disengagements but IMO it's a misleading number since they drive in thoroughly investigated areas.

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Thoroughly investigated as in having detailed maps? All companies including Tesla (as far as I know) intend to launch taxi services in limited areas in the beginning. I have no doubt that Alphabet has the ability to provide detailed maps of whatever dense cities and interconnecting highways where they wan't to launch first. If outdated maps will be a problem it will be in remote areas so it won't be an issue anytime soon.

(While Waymo's cars can drive anywhere, including in complex city traffic, Tesla autopilot only works on highways, which is the easiest type of road.)

I believe Waymo use the maps to guarantee the car knows where it is on the road within a few cm, even without GPS, and also to help discern dynamic objects (the car needs to pay closer attention too) from static objects. That means they can dedicate more processing power to other problems, and the cars are more or less guaranteed to not confuse the road with an object on the road (as we have seen both Tesla and Uber had problems with sadly).

Waymo's cars have all the sensors that a Tesla car does, and on top of that lidar and better radar. Waymo make their own sensors in house.
https://medium.com/waymo/introducing-waymos-suite-of-custom-built-self-driving-hardware-c47d1714563

apis:
This is something that's a piece of cake for Waymo and similar cars, but the Tesla autopilot thingie gets confused just because the lane marking isn't perfectly visible:


Tesla doesn't officially say it should either, they say it's only cruise control (unlike Waymo), but if you listen to Elon you'd think it's ready for full autonomous driving within a year.

wraper:

--- Quote from: apis on May 05, 2019, 03:35:27 pm ---This is something that's a piece of cake for Waymo and similar cars, but the Tesla autopilot thingie gets confused just because the lane marking isn't perfectly visible:

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How about Waymo not working when raining but Tesla doing just fine?

https://youtu.be/KQo0KzbZNmc

apis:

--- Quote from: wraper on May 05, 2019, 06:24:02 pm ---How about Waymo not working when raining but Tesla doing just fine?
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It can only do that since it's not pretending to be fully autonomous. Showing a few minutes of driving in heavy rain with a driver prepared to take over any second doesn't prove it can do that over millions of miles without any mistakes. As far as I can tell, Tesla haven't shown they are anywhere close to the level of autonomy that Waymo and others who use Lidar and detailed maps are.

"To poke holes in Musk’s comments, you need look no further than the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) taxonomy for autonomous vehicles, commonly referred to as the SAE levels, which have become the global standard for defining self-driving. Most experts would categorize Navigate on Autopilot as Level 2 autonomy, meaning the vehicle can handle basic tasks, like acceleration, braking, and lane changes, but the human driver needs to maintain full attention of the road and be prepared to take control of the vehicle in a moment’s notice.
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Not even highly automated vehicles like those operated by Alphabet’s Waymo, Ford’s Argo AI, or GM’s Cruise Automation would really qualify as “full self-driving” because they are only able to operate within a specific geographic location and under specific conditions, like good weather. Those companies typically keep safety drivers behind the wheel, with the understanding that their vehicles would be considered Level 4 capable under the SAE’s taxonomy."
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18204427/tesla-autopilot-elon-musk-full-self-driving-confusion

I like Elon, and he's doing cool stuff, but you have to take everything he says with a truckload of salt. Tesla is giving self driving cars a bad reputation imho. The one who deserve credit for being first and who have gotten the furthest with this technology is still Waymo.

The SAE classification isn't very good and maybe Tesla have a secret prototype they are developing in Singapore or somewhere else, who knows, but so far Tesla autonomous self driving is "all hat, no cattle" as far as I can tell.

Dubbie:
Does anyone know the accidents per mile driven of Tesla Vs Waymo?

This to me would seem like a much more relevant statistic.

If tesla has driven 300K miles with 3 accidents, and Waymo has driven 50K with zero, this doesn't put Waymo ahead in safety in my mind.

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