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| nctnico:
--- Quote from: james_s on August 19, 2022, 09:54:52 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on August 19, 2022, 11:48:10 am ---I disagree here. I assume you have read news stories about BEV batteries costing more than the car is worth to replace. First of all this is bad for publicity for the brand and BEVs in general, secondly it makes buying a BEV a gamble. 99.9% means that 1 in 1000 batteries will fail which is quite a lot. Nobody will complain about a repair of $800 but people will complain about needing a $8000 repair. --- End quote --- Sure, and I've also heard stories about engines costing more than a car is worth to replace, and they do fail occasionally too. --- End quote --- Typically such engine failures are covered by extended warranties as well. In many cases the manufacturer will compensate the owner for such a premature failure. --- Quote ---I'm not too worried, there will be more and more 3rd parties springing up offering rebuilt batter packs just as has happened for hybrids. People will figure out techniques to repair them. --- End quote --- The latter is most certainly true. But I do hope you can agree that such parties can work cheaper and do a better job (as in the repair being reliable) with a battery pack that is easy to service. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 19, 2022, 10:00:00 pm ---Typically such engine failures are covered by extended warranties as well. In many cases the manufacturer will compensate the owner for such a premature failure. --- End quote --- Who has those though? Maybe it's different in other parts of the world, but here extended warranties are widely seen as a sort of scam, which they often are. Certainly I've never purchased one. Often when an engine fails prematurely it isn't the fault of the manufacture, people run them out of oil, overheat them or don't maintain them properly. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: james_s on August 19, 2022, 10:05:01 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on August 19, 2022, 10:00:00 pm ---Typically such engine failures are covered by extended warranties as well. In many cases the manufacturer will compensate the owner for such a premature failure. --- End quote --- Who has those though? Maybe it's different in other parts of the world, but here extended warranties are widely seen as a sort of scam, which they often are. Certainly I've never purchased one. Often when an engine fails prematurely it isn't the fault of the manufacture, people run them out of oil, overheat them or don't maintain them properly. --- End quote --- I don't mean the extended warranties you buy (*) but typically manufacturers will help out customers with premature engine failures to preserve goodwill. How much compensation is being paid depends on the type of damage / known problems / amount of complaining from the customer. Ofcourse the car will need a full service history from a dealer. * BTW: I never buy a used car with warranty. Whatever is wrong with it, I want it to be fixed right and not bodged so I take it to a garage where I have been a satisfied customer for about 20 years already. My trust in car sales people can not be expressed in any way -there is none-. |
| bdunham7:
--- Quote from: james_s on August 19, 2022, 10:05:01 pm ---Who has those though? Maybe it's different in other parts of the world, but here extended warranties are widely seen as a sort of scam, which they often are. Certainly I've never purchased one. Often when an engine fails prematurely it isn't the fault of the manufacture, people run them out of oil, overheat them or don't maintain them properly. --- End quote --- Some brands have 10 year powertrain warranties, but not all. Engine replacement or major repair is a viable business over a certain window, starting with when the warranty effectively expires and ending when the cost of the engine replacement is too much compared to the value of the car. For most ICE cars, the window is fairly long and the costs are reasonable provided the car is in otherwise good condition. There were some notable exceptions where the repair costs and difficulty was exceptionally high--early V8 Jaguars and the Audi A8 and Allroad come to mind--or the value of the car plummets very rapidly like the old Isuzu Rodeo. That one had an 18-month window, barely enough time to get the job figured out. The window for aftermarket battery replacement or repair starts at 8 years, but a $20K repair on a 9 year old car that sold new for $50K is probably not going to be a hit with consumers. They'll probably head to the scrapyard just like those Jags and Audis did. My BEV's new battery (warranty) was supposedly $13K. We paid <$16K for the car after tax credits, $26K before. If that battery fails out of warranty in someone else's car, it would be a no-sale and a consumer with a negative attitude toward electric cars. An unrepairable glued-together battery pack is not the same show as ICE engine replacement. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 19, 2022, 10:00:00 pm ---Typically such engine failures are covered by extended warranties as well. In many cases the manufacturer will compensate the owner for such a premature failure. --- End quote --- Are they? My hybrid had a regular 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty, but the battery has 8 year warranty. I think I tried to claim on an engine failure much past that 3 year point I'd be out of luck. I could try using consumer rights processes, but that's a long and arduous process. |
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