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Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
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Nerull:

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--- Quote from: ataradov on February 18, 2020, 05:41:25 pm ---If you look at what aomma.ai can do with a single camera and essentially a cell phone processor, I'm not sure all that dedicated AI hardware is all that necessary.

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Except it often tries to drive you off the road. Driving capability and doing it reliably are 2 very different things. Also don't forget this hardware is meant for FULL self driving.

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The telsa hardware likes to drive you into the back of emergency vehicles.

I don't really see the point of gushing over "FSD" hardware that doesn't seem anywhere near being ready for FSD.
Dr. Frank:

--- Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 19, 2020, 09:04:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Frank on February 19, 2020, 08:03:01 am ---The traditional Carmakers usually never design electronics by themselves (any more), they define the architecture in the car, and order the electronics from big suppliers, like Denso, Bosch, Valeo, Continental, and so on.

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Which is exactly their weak point. Too many layers. You can't easily reuse talent or knowledge because you don't own it.
EaaS (engineering as a service) is a lifetime subscription, not building much value over time.


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Denso once belonged to Toyota, Visteon to FORD and Delphi to GM.

It is and has always been a make-or-buy decision.
Obviously, in a long process, these OEMs decided  that it's more cost efficient to outsource the engineering, losing competency and maybe profit margin and also being more dependent on suppliers.

But anyhow, all these traditional car makers are profitable, but TESLA is not (yet). TESLA for sure is only at the beginning of such a decision process.

Maybe this situation might change for the others also, as the classical combustion engine - powertrain might be obsolete in the future, replaced by even more electronic / electrical components.

Frank
thinkfat:

--- Quote from: ataradov on February 18, 2020, 05:57:46 pm ---But who cares? That general purpose processor uses minuscule amount of power compared to motors and probably even headlights. Sure, saving power gives you an edge,  but investing money into custom silicon is probably not the greatest idea.

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It's not the power consumption they're afraid of, it's the power dissipation that goes with it. Automotive electronics need to work under very high temperatures. They're fighting for every Watt they can avoid to not increase their problem.
jeremy:
I have no experience with Tesla cars, but what is wrong with old designs? Just because a design is newer, doesn’t make it better. Look at the 3458A for example; if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

I would have liked to see actual criticism of specifically what makes the Tesla system better, not just “Tesla future, Toyota old and smelly”. I still have no idea which is better after reading that article  :-//
BU508A:

--- Quote from: jeremy on February 19, 2020, 11:00:13 am ---I have no experience with Tesla cars, but what is wrong with old designs? Just because a design is newer, doesn’t make it better. Look at the 3458A for example; if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

I would have liked to see actual criticism of specifically what makes the Tesla system better, not just “Tesla future, Toyota old and smelly”. I still have no idea which is better after reading that article  :-//

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My understanding of the article is not, which is better, Tesla or Toyota / VW.
My understanding is: what makes this to the supply chain for the companies which produces automobiles and their suppliers. In Germany, lots of jobs are in the supplier sector for the automobile branch. If those suppliers aren't needed any more, this would have a huge impact to the economy, not alone in Germany.
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