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| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: BU508A on February 19, 2020, 11:18:02 am --- --- Quote from: jeremy on February 19, 2020, 11:00:13 am ---I have no experience with Tesla cars, but what is wrong with old designs? Just because a design is newer, doesn’t make it better. Look at the 3458A for example; if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I would have liked to see actual criticism of specifically what makes the Tesla system better, not just “Tesla future, Toyota old and smelly”. I still have no idea which is better after reading that article :-// --- End quote --- My understanding of the article is not, which is better, Tesla or Toyota / VW. My understanding is: what makes this to the supply chain for the companies which produces automobiles and their suppliers. In Germany, lots of jobs are in the supplier sector for the automobile branch. If those suppliers aren't needed any more, this would have a huge impact to the economy, not alone in Germany. --- End quote --- The work that needs to be done won't disappear, though. The workers would simply be working for another company. For commodity products, the shared supplier model can be the most efficient. For example, Ford and GM share a transmission (gearbox) design these days... it is cheaper for both companies and they are not competing on gearboxes. |
| TK:
The main difference between Tesla and the comma.ai solution is the ability to drive in NOT IDEAL CONDITIONS. Poor visibility and any type of obstruction can affect the performance of OpenPilot. With just a front camera and maybe the backup camera, it cannot make line changes unless the driver confirms it is perfectly safe. OpenPilot is nothing more than a smart cruise control and it will never be able to self-drive. So $999 for a bunch of wires and the Panda device (STM32 chip) is a very expensive solution for a cruise control. |
| thinkfat:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 19, 2020, 02:11:50 pm ---The work that needs to be done won't disappear, though. The workers would simply be working for another company. --- End quote --- Not the same workers, I'm afraid. Maybe not even workers in the same country, or continent. German automobile industry definitely needs to keep pace with global technology trends in order to be profitable. |
| tszaboo:
Tesla has Level 2 self driving, and with current hardware they probably could get level 3. Audi A8 has certified level 3 self driving, and they are working on level 4. Level 4 has geofencing, most of the time it can do everything and you can take over if you feel like. The hardware costs are like a used VW Golf in the Tesla. I guess most car makers are not going to invest this much on experimental tech on production cars, because customers want something affordable. It is not the question of "can I do this", more like "does it make sense to do?" |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on February 19, 2020, 02:43:50 pm ---[...] It is not the question of "can I do this", more like "does it make sense to do?" --- End quote --- A lot of research into advanced technologies may only become financially viable many years from now... |
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