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nctnico:

--- Quote from: schmitt trigger on February 19, 2020, 04:54:25 pm ---We may argue here until hell freezes over, but the fact is that AI, specifically AI applied to the automotive sector, will be the next technology differentiator which separates the prosperous from the struggling countries.

With the German auto sector -for the time being- still considered the world's premiere, and such an important part of the German economy, it would be darn foolish not to invest in AI research focused to the automotive sector.

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But what problem should AI solve? It reminds me of an example someone told me years ago. Researchers spend decades on developing a robotic hand which can lift an egg without crushing it. Meanwhile in the egg-packaging plants they use robots with vacuum suction cups to lift the eggs and put them in boxes at an incredible speed. Most self driving systems seems to be aimed at using visual information to move around in traffic. There are much better approaches to make self driving cars. The more general direction the car industry is going is to make vehicles communicate between each other and with the infrastructure. If cars can simply tell each other where they are and traffic lights tell cars it is red or green (and this technology is already being deployed!) the need for processing visual information through AI is much less necessary. In the end all a car would need is to be able to detect non-communicating objects. But not to a high degree because information about such objects is also shared between the cars.
wraper:

--- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 05:46:19 pm ---If cars can simply tell each other where they are and traffic lights tell cars it is red or green (and this technology is already being deployed!) the need for processing visual information through AI is much less necessary. In the end all a car would need is to be able to detect non-communicating objects. But not to a high degree because information about such objects is also shared between the cars.

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And you just need to replace all infrastructure and keep 100% of pedestrians and usual cars away from the roads. Not to say have 100% accurate mapping everywhere.
Marco:
Has it "learned" not to crash into firetrucks yet?
BU508A:

--- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 05:46:19 pm ---But what problem should AI solve? It reminds me of an example someone told me years ago. Researchers spend decades on developing a robotic hand which can lift an egg without crushing it. Meanwhile in the egg-packaging plants they use robots with vacuum suction cups to lift the eggs and put them in boxes at an incredible speed. Most self driving systems seems to be aimed at using visual information to move around in traffic. There are much better approaches to make self driving cars. The more general direction the car industry is going is to make vehicles communicate between each other and with the infrastructure. If cars can simply tell each other where they are and traffic lights tell cars it is red or green (and this technology is already being deployed!) the need for processing visual information through AI is much less necessary. In the end all a car would need is to be able to detect non-communicating objects. But not to a high degree because information about such objects is also shared between the cars.

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I think, the AI is aimed to solve the last 0.1% situations, which weren't thought of. The unexpected things which are going to happen and
which can be easily solved by a human with all his knowledge about the world and the rulesets he is following in a flexible way and his experience.

This is a very simple example imho:
nctnico:

--- Quote from: wraper on February 19, 2020, 05:51:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 05:46:19 pm ---If cars can simply tell each other where they are and traffic lights tell cars it is red or green (and this technology is already being deployed!) the need for processing visual information through AI is much less necessary. In the end all a car would need is to be able to detect non-communicating objects. But not to a high degree because information about such objects is also shared between the cars.

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And you just need to replace all infrastructure and keep 100% of pedestrians away from the roads. Not to say have 100% accurate mapping everywhere.

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You'd be surprised how well governments keep track on sizes and location of roads. How else can they be managed? Currently GPS is useless for self driving cars but there are terrestrial based location systems at the horizon. For sure you can always find an uncharted dirt road but on such roads there is very little added value of having a self driving car anyway.
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