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| janoc:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 17, 2023, 12:59:51 pm ---Yes, it's level 2 technically. However SAE level tells very little about actual capability and more about how much driver attention is needed. You can do pretty useless autopilot with no requirement to keep your hands on steering wheel but which only works on some pre-mapped straight highways, with 40 mph speed limit, only in perfect weather, and call it SAE level 3. So it's only useable in traffic jams on those certain perfect situations, hi Mercedes. --- End quote --- Well, yeah - but the issue is not the "capability" but the amount of attention it needs. And thus e.g. the level of complacency it induces in the driver and thus impact on safety and hazard to everyone around them. A very capable system that works 90% of the time is arguably worse than a less capable one that works only in 10% of situations. That's why Mercedes has it designed in that way - they know their system isn't perfect so are erring on the conservative side to not get their backside handed to them by the regulator/courts. Compare that approach with Tesla's that does very little to prevent misuse (they have actually just issued a recall for over 2 million of vehicles over this) - and then it causes accidents because, surprise, people do use it where it shouldn't have been used, despite the fine print in the manual telling them not to. Ultimately these level 2-3 systems are dangerous because the drivers will rely on them, become distracted/inattentive - and when their intervention is ultimately required they will not react in time - getting "back in the game" when you were not paying attention can take even several seconds that you likely don't have when at high speed. |
| nctnico:
Last week Tesla has been forced to do a recall to address several safety issues: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/13/tech/tesla-recall-autopilot/index.html |
| MT:
A German court ruled that Tesla cannot talk about 'full potential for autonomous driving' or 'Autopilot' in its ads in the country. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33338288/germany-tesla-autonomous-driving-court-ruling/ Still Tesla German owners manual 2023 talks about auto pilot: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/de_de/GUID-101D1BF5-52D2-469A-A57D-E7230BBEE94B.html Tesla appealed but was overruled 2022: https://teslamag.de/news/exklusiv-web-werbung-tesla-autopilot-fsd-option-deutschland-zulaessig-51722 Tesla forced to buyback cars: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/autopilot-makes-tesla-buy-back-another-ev-in-germany-it-s-the-third-one-until-now-195163.html A pilot are not requested by Boeing/Airbus to "always hold their hands on the steering" when autopilot is on. It is well known a jet these days can take off, fly and land all by it self with no intervention of a hominid or monkey. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: nctnico on December 17, 2023, 12:37:21 pm ---By the way things look nowadays, it might be sooner than your 12 years. IIRC BMW and Mercedes are quite far along and operate at a higher readiness level compared to Tesla. --- End quote --- The current level 3 systems are just in lane follow the duckling systems for slow dense traffic on highways, that's all they will ever be. Waymo&co need RC every 5 minutes to not gridlock a city. Level 3 follow the duckling systems is the best you can do on highways with full autonomy. True self driving is AI hard. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 17, 2023, 12:59:51 pm ---Yes, it's level 2 technically. However SAE level tells very little about actual capability --- End quote --- It tells you about its consistent capabilities. Level 2 is fundamentally not reliable to a meaningful degree. |
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