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Texas Instruments axing distributprs
tooki:
--- Quote from: watchmaker on February 14, 2024, 06:24:26 pm ---I am thinking that given non USA orders that get delayed this may be an export control thing.
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Obviously.
--- Quote from: watchmaker on February 14, 2024, 06:24:26 pm ---For those who never get answers from the US suppliers about why their orders are flagged, look up the US "Patriot" Act. A company, educational institution, or individual cannot even divulge they have been contacted under penalty of imprisonment.
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You’re mixing things up.
Given that a common viewable status of international orders from DK and Mouser is “export compliance review” (or something to that effect), it’s no secret when that’s the holdup. If a company fails to reply, it’s simply because they’re being shitty at communicating, as most companies seem to be regardless of the purpose of the communication.
The Patriot Act is an huge monster of a law, containing numerous provisions that are totally unrelated to each other. It only tangentially deals with export controls, and really just refers to other, existing export control laws and regulations, the novelty being that violations can now be legally considered a form of terrorism.
The secrecy requirements are in regard to subpoenas and wiretaps, all provisions of the Act unrelated to export control.
--- Quote from: watchmaker on February 16, 2024, 02:46:23 pm ---It was Librarians who fought it the most; and I think they still refuse to comply. Not sure. This is Star Chamber stuff.
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They were just vocal about it, and the media picked up on their clever use of “canary” signs to indicate whether they’d been subpoenaed. (I.e. they’d have a sign posted saying something like “We have not received any subpoenas under the PATRIOT Act in the last 3 months.”, so if you saw the sign disappear, then you would know that they had been subpoenaed.)
rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 16, 2024, 03:09:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: watchmaker on February 14, 2024, 06:24:26 pm ---For those who never get answers from the US suppliers about why their orders are flagged, look up the US "Patriot" Act. A company, educational institution, or individual cannot even divulge they have been contacted under penalty of imprisonment.
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You’re mixing things up.
Given that a common viewable status of international orders from DK and Mouser is “export compliance review” (or something to that effect), it’s no secret when that’s the holdup. If a company fails to reply, it’s simply because they’re being shitty at communicating, as most companies seem to be regardless of the purpose of the communication.
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100%. Having faced this scenario many times over the past decade or two, I can tell the absolute silence is mostly due to incompetency. When I was in the support organization, we were instructed to reply providing a boilerplate paragraph as to why the business channel and further communications were shut down, and this was vetted by the lawyers in the organization.
watchmaker:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 16, 2024, 03:09:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: watchmaker on February 16, 2024, 02:46:23 pm ---It was Librarians who fought it the most; and I think they still refuse to comply. Not sure. This is Star Chamber stuff.
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They were just vocal about it, and the media picked up on their clever use of “canary” signs to indicate whether they’d been subpoenaed. (I.e. they’d have a sign posted saying something like “We have not received any subpoenas under the PATRIOT Act in the last 3 months.”, so if you saw the sign disappear, then you would know that they had been subpoenaed.)
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Tooki,
Actually they did far more than that. I was 50 and very politically active. Here was one example: Their pushback helped control the overreach.
https://www.ifla.org/past-wlic/2009/117-jones-en.pdf
Never heard the canary story. Interesting strategy.
There was a time in my lifetime when individual privacy was so valued that the IRS would not divulge where an absent spouse was. There was a special office that handled such requests and would only say if they were paying taxes. I know this because my father came back from Burma all screwed up and deserted us. Only found him 10 years later and he shortly committed suicide. Today it is called PTSD.
We have lost much. I get the child support and terrorism sides of the arguments, but as a 13-year-old kid, no one ever questioned me when I walked the street with my .22 in a city of 50,000. But then, there was no need to.
Glad I am on my way out.
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