The Art of Electronics 3rd edition - author response

[SnakeBite]

i read a lot of times in the internet about THE ART OF ELECTRONICS third edition that it SHOULD be out soon (i think the first time anyone talked about it, it was meant to be published in 2006)
so i contact one of the authors -Winfield Hill and ask him about it.

this is a copy of my email message:


ido aricha wrote:
> i have read on the internet that you planning to publish the new
> edition for the Art of Electronics and i wondered when it going to be
> published ?
>
> thanks
>
> Ido,Israel
>

  We're working full-time on the 3rd edition, and are more
  than 2/3 through so far, and hope to see it out this year,
  although it may slip a bit.  We're still inviting suggestions
  for new material, etc.   Thanks for your interest.

--
    - Win

Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA  02142

617-497-4670


too bad it taking so long...i mean , i want up to date book but i think that there is no limit to the modern electronics development and if they always want the best up to date book it will never be published....

Ido

[Excavatoree]

If I understood Dave correctly, in one of his blogs, he stated that the 3rd edition was to be supplemental - that is, you still want the 2nd edition as well.

Does anyone know if this is still the author's plan?

[SnakeBite]

If I understood Dave correctly, in one of his blogs, he stated that the 3rd edition was to be supplemental - that is, you still want the 2nd edition as well.

Does anyone know if this is still the author's plan?

i have sent him you question.
when i'll get an answer i will post it here.

Ido

[SnakeBite]

here is his official response :


> thanks for the quick response.
>
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.msg46226#msg46226>
> opened a discotion on your book in the EEVBLOG (stands for "electronics
> engineering video blog") forum here:
>
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.msg46226#msg46226
>
> many people around the world are waiting for the book to be published.
>
> there was a question there about the book:
>
> is the 2nd edition a supplemental to the 3rd edition?

  Please post his answer for us:

  No, hah!  It's certainly not just a supplement!
  It stands on its own, very much a new book; some
  old stuff is kept, but sadly much of the really
  great 2nd-edition stuff is tossed to make room
  (even tho the 3rd ed has a larger page size,
  wider columns, a smaller font and more pages).

  Most of you will want to keep your 2nd edition
  (or get hold of a used copy someplace).

  Brand new important chapters on precision
  circuits, low-noise (loads of new material,
  secret replacements found for discontinued
  low-noise parts, with extensive measurements
  and analysis).  A/D and D/A converters.  Five
  logic & microcontroller chapters, including new
  detailed interfacing digital to the real world.

  Awesome new "x" chapters added after regular
  chapters, with extended, advanced material.
  E.g., Chapter 1x after intro Chapter 1, with
  new "properties of components," including lab
  measurements you need, not available elsewhere.

  Chapter 2x, with advanced BJT stuff.  3x after
  the regular chapter 3 (FETs), full of advanced
  JFET and MOSFET info.  Chapter 4x, advanced
  opamp stuff, tables, measurements, the works.
  Chapter 9x after ch 9, advanced power stuff.

  20 chapters in all (2nd ed had 15 chapters).

  - Win


Ido

[Alex]

Yeap, sounds like Winfield to me!

[Excavatoree]

Thanks for getting that cleared up.

It looks like I'll want to own both.

EDIT: Crap, I think Dave said "complimentary" not "supplementary."

Well, my point should have been that it is not necessary to own both, but not redundant to own both, either. 

[Lance]

I have an idea. Have a huge edition available with everything in it.

[EEVblog]

Yes, Win has always said it will a lot of the old material, so it's good to have both editions.
Thanks for the info.

Dave.

[domm123]

Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual 
http://www.indiabookmart.com/searchResult.asp?ddwBook=title&searchtxtval=art+of+electronics&image.x=0&image.y=0&txtsearchType=1



http://aj4om.com/?m=201101
Pictures from the blog:

[sacherjj]

I ordered the one from India a week or so ago.  Should be here next week.  I'll post my feelings on that edition.

[joelby]

Cool, I found it on abebooks.com, which is at least searched by booko.com.au, which means that some other people must have heard of it before!

[Mechatrommer]

Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual 

i suggest you make a stronger binding for the book before the pages tear apart. the glueing is not so strong. i did "A" to strengten it. the "B" showing the scared lamination, its really vurnerable, so handle your book with care. cant remember what cause it, heat or sticked to something else cant remember. and you'll notice the paper used inside is kind of recycled paper and very thin. but i'm happy with it as its cheap, what matters to me is the content, and i dont give a sh*t on aesthetic as long as the contents are intact... hence the DIY binding you see in "A" (its non aligned hole is worst at the front page, but i took the back picture to show you "B" as well)

[saturation]

Being the classic it is, printed on acid free paper would help.  My book pages are turning yellow.

It may be helpful to retitle the original as Volume 1, and the 3rd Edition as Volume 2.

[sacherjj]

Mine arrived today and looks exactly line the others prior in this thread.  I agree that the binding will need work to keep together with much use.  Mine was a used book when I got it, so there is a small tear already at the binding.   

[Neganur]

Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual 
...
www indiabookmart com
...

3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.

[sacherjj]

3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.

Mine was shipped DHL and arrived fairly fast.  Although they shipped it in a plastic bag envelope, so the binding was busted a little.  I would rather slower and less damage, so maybe it will be a good thing for the speed.

[ndictu]

3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.

Me too, I ordered them on 24th May. I sent them a mail today about it, no response yet (it was already pretty late in India when I sent it so I'm hoping for a response tomorrow). Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.

[hannobisschoff]

Aww man! This is awesome, I got the book yesteraday, and now I read about it on the blog.
Looks like a good, informative, and long read.

[hannobisschoff]

Aww man! This is awesome, I got the book yesteraday, and now I read about it on the blog.
Looks like a good, informative, and long read.

I'm talking about the second edition of course

[Mechatrommer]

Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.

by raising to dispute, you'll have another extra 20 days, before raising it to claim, in case the item still not arrive.

[ndictu]

Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.

by raising to dispute, you'll have another extra 20 days, before raising it to claim, in case the item still not arrive.

Thanks, good to know. But I hope it doesn't come to that, I don't have very good experience with PayPal's customer support.

My old account got flagged for suspicious activity (nothing really happened, I just used it few times one day) so I went through all the changing passwords, security questions (up to this point I was actually impressed by how seriously they take the security and didn't mind it at all), then uploading a scan of my passport and monthly statement from bank to prove my identity etc. but they wouldn't verify that. That was the step that required human looking on that scan and clicking a button, but for some reason that never happened. So I tried contacting them, but let me just tell you, don't even bother.

There is a contact form where you select your problem from a list and get an automated response that is pretty much just copied entry from the FAQ. My problem wasn't there so I picked "Other", filled out what was going on and of course I get the standard FAQ response telling me to upload scanned documents, which I already did and did state so in the contact form. So I write again, starting in full caps that I need a human not FAQ entry, giving them the ID of the last support ticket. And I did get a human response. One paragraph, like "Hi my name is ... paypal takes very seriously ... we are sorry for the inconvenience ... " the standard avoiding problem bullshit, and after that, the same damn FAQ entry as the last time.

Of course you can't do anything until you are verified, not even close the account. Luckily for me, the next month my credit card expired, got a new one and made a new account. That one is still pending on my scanned documents.

Woo, got a little ranty here, sorry

[Uncle Vernon]

My old account got flagged for suspicious activity (nothing really happened, I just used it few times one day) so I went through all the changing passwords, security questions (up to this point I was actually impressed by how seriously they take the security and didn't mind it at all)

Via an e-mail?

then uploading a scan of my passport and monthly statement from bank to prove my identity etc. but they wouldn't verify that. That was the step that required human looking on that scan and clicking a button, but for some reason that never happened. So I tried contacting them, but let me just tell you, don't even bother.

Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.

[ndictu]

Via an e-mail?

Huh?

Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.

Dude, I'm not retarded Since they thought someone had my password and used my account they required me to verify my identity somehow. You don't need that when opening account because you are going to enter your credit card info, either you own the card so it's fine, or you stole it but then you can use it even without paypal. However, in my case the credit card details were already there, ready to be used, and the potential attacker could use my card to make payments so until I verified my identity the account was frozen.

Now, this is, in my opinion, a great thing. However, when I used the form in resolution center and uploaded scanned documents with my name and address several times, and it still says "pending for review", and the only response I can get from them is a FAQ entry saying "upload document in the resolution center for review" then it kind of sucks.

[Uncle Vernon]

Via an e-mail?

Huh?

Seemed a simple enough question? Contacted you via e-mail, phone call, public shouting, courier pigeon?

Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.

Dude, I'm not retarded

I never made that accusation. Some of the scams I see bombarding us are now becoming increasing sophisticated and authentic in appearance. As for sending scanned copies of documents, where is that file now? Is it the only copy? If identity thieves get a hold of that plus publicly available details they have scored a home run.

[Mechatrommer]

to get the picture... i frequently got an email saying my bank account is suspiciously being hacked. and in the email they provided the link to log in to confirm your identity. sure you can click on the link. but when the new windows popped up, if you check the address above, its not https:\\www.mybank.com, but instead http:\\www.scammersite\readytoread\andhack\yourpassword.com. the interface is 100% identical as the real bank site. once you entered your password, it will be stored in the scammers database ready to be processed/hack in the line. and the next thing you see on the screen, is some excuse like "oh sorry f*ck! we cannot process your password!" got it? the solution is, always change your password from time to time, it will make your previous password useless to the cracker.

[ndictu]

Seemed a simple enough question? Contacted you via e-mail, phone call, public shouting, courier pigeon?

Oh right, didn't get that. Anyway, it was some time ago so I'm not sure if I got a warning mail, probably yes. But after logging in it took me through the verification process. Yes, it was paypal website, with valid certificate. And there wasn't no activity on that credit card either.

I never made that accusation. Some of the scams I see bombarding us are now becoming increasing sophisticated and authentic in appearance. As for sending scanned copies of documents, where is that file now? Is it the only copy? If identity thieves get a hold of that plus publicly available details they have scored a home run.

I know you didn't, just kidding. Yes there are sophisticated scams, but I do not know of anyone with quantum computer that can break paypal's certificate private key. (Although, some cheap cert authorities will sign anything, I saw a blog post where someone got google.com signed for a few bucks. Yes, that CA was/is probably in your browser's root list. That's why you should  check every cert you use, or remove some CAs from the root list.)

About the documents, no idea where they are. I just checked my scanned images and since I don't scan much stuff I was able to find that, looks like I only went with the bank statement (you could do either, or even utility bills or something) so no passport. I blacked out my transactions, left only the relevant stuff.

The account is dead, since I can't even close it. The files are probably living on some paypal server, waiting for review ... Maybe they automatically delete them after some time, no idea. There still might be backups of it that will stay forever but I wouldn't bother backing this up, no idea what they policies are.

But I couldn't care less, they have my name, address (which you could get from whois on a domain I own, dozens of online shops know it, ...) and info about expired credit card. That is all worthless information so I just let it go, made a new account with new card and try to avoid "suspicious activity" like you know, buying stuff

to get the picture... i frequently got an email saying my bank account is suspiciously being hacked. and in the email they provided the link to log in to confirm your identity. sure you can click on the link. but when the new windows popped up, if you check the address above, its not https:\\www.mybank.com, but instead http:\\www.scammersite\readytoread\andhack\yourpassword.com. the interface is 100% identical as the real bank site. once you entered your password, it will be stored in the scammers database ready to be processed/hack in the line. and the next thing you see on the screen, is some excuse like "oh sorry f*ck! we cannot process your password!" got it? the solution is, always change your password from time to time, it will make your previous password useless to the cracker.

Yeah, this is still a big thing, especially for not very savvy users. Browsers try to warn you if you are entering password over http, if the certificate isn't valid, or is self-signed. I think gmail warns you if the mailserver the message came from and the sender header don't match. But it is still a pretty easy think to do.

[hannobisschoff]

how is it possible that I find the low price edition in a university bookshop in South Africa. But the books have to be imported by some of the people who live in well developed countries.

[ndictu]

how is it possible that I find the low price edition in a university bookshop in South Africa. But the books have to be imported by some of the people who live in well developed countries.

Good for you, around here it is hard to get original books. For example, about 99% books about computer science / programming are translated. The selection of originals isn't very good either, but the translations make it worse. Since it takes them forever to translate it the technology they are describing is already obsolete when it comes to the stores. They also refuse to use English terminology, and let's face it, programming is an English field. They use translated names and acronyms, often different between translators and if you learn that you are unable to find what you need on the web.

Not that familiar with electronics books, since I just got interested in that recently but I don't remember ever seeing an original book on that either.

Most original, untranslated books are the learning English stories from Oxford press where you have classical stories/novels, written in different levels (..., 500 words, 1k words, ... vocabularies)

[Neganur]

Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual 
...
www indiabookmart com
...

3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.

Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.

[ndictu]

Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.

Tomorrow will be 30 days since my order and I still didn't receive either the book or email response so probably will do the same thing. Please let me know how it went.

[joelby]

Mine hasn't shown up either, five and a half weeks on. I ordered it from BookVistas.com via Abebooks.com.

I just checked the Abebooks.com order status page and it says, "Availability Confirmed - the bookseller has confirmed your order and will ship it upon processing or receipt of payment". I've written to ask what is going on. Terrible!

[joelby]

Ah, BookVistas responded very quickly and say that it has aleady been dispatched and to let them know if it still hasn't arrived in one week's time. The postal service out of India may just be incredibly slow!

[ndictu]

Ah, BookVistas responded very quickly and say that it has aleady been dispatched and to let them know if it still hasn't arrived in one week's time. The postal service out of India may just be incredibly slow!

Please let us know when/if you receive the books, I might re-order from them. Currently I'm waiting with my PayPal claim for the seller to respond, but since they managed to ignore my mails for a month I don't think they will. They have 3 more days, I'm guessing then it gets closed in my favor.

[joelby]

Sure thing.

It's unusual that they haven't responded to you, but replied to me so quickly!

[ndictu]

Sure thing.

It's unusual that they haven't responded to you, but replied to me so quickly!

I ordered from IndiaBookMart, not BookVistas.

[Neganur]

Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.

PayPal:

"We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.

We were able to recover $30,06 USD and this amount has been credited to
you.  Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted."

Guess I'll stick to Amazon in the future.

[ndictu]

Good to see. I should get that soon, seller has until today to respond which I'm guessing they aren't planning to do.

I'll probably order the real thing in hardcover from amazon or bookdepository.

[ndictu]

Just go my mail from PayPal, exact same message. This sure makes me like PayPal much more after that blocked account thing.

I already have both the book on their way from Amazon but it was about twice as expensive and it'll be here in about 2 weeks. Had I know this back then I could've ordered from them in the first place and have them delivered long time ago.

[joelby]

My 2nd edition from Abebooks finally arrived today! I wrote again to enquire and the company sent a new copy on the 28th of July. Who knows what happened to the original delivery

Anyway, the book looks great and like others have mentioned, even though it was packed well enough, it arrived looking a little battered. This was mainly because it was packed in cardboard and then bound in twine, which made some large dents on the cover, which seems like it was a bit dodgy to start with. I'm not bothered - it's a bit like buying pre-worn jeans. You don't want to put a textbook on your bookshelf and have it look like you've never cracked it open!

[johnboxall]

Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual 
...
www indiabookmart com
...

3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.

Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.

Me too. After placing an order they emailed to confirm the shipping address, then nothing for one month. Emailed them on all the addresses they used, no reply. Have an open Paypal dispute now.

[george graves]

Any updates?  I'm late to this thread, but would love to pick up the book and student manual for a song!

[johnboxall]

Any updates?  I'm late to this thread, but would love to pick up the book and student manual for a song!

Try at your own risk. Paypal gave me a refund after the seller did not respond to dispute.

[joelby]

If you're not in a hurry, then I don't think you've got a lot to lose.

I can recommend using BookVistas via AbeBooks - while my first delivery went missing, they were responsive and sent a second via registered mail.

[johnboxall]

If you're not in a hurry, then I don't think you've got a lot to lose.
I can recommend using BookVistas via AbeBooks - while my first delivery went missing, they were responsive and sent a second via registered mail.

Great news - thanks for that. Will give them a try and report back.

[igorbog]

Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks

[robrenz]

Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks

The third edition is not out yet. You need to search for the second edition.

[metalphreak]

Ah but you guys are missing out on the awesome shiny silver cover of the hardcover edition 

[igorbog]

Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks

The third edition is not out yet. You need to search for the second edition.

I asked about 2-nd edition. I cant find it on web international shipping(to Israel)

[ElektroQuark]

Try www.amazon.co.uk
Don´t know if they ship to Israel...

[metalphreak]

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521370950

They ship to Israel (do note its the hardcover so its not cheap. They don't sell the cheaper international version)

[igorbog]

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521370950

They ship to Israel (do note its the hardcover so its not cheap. They don't sell the cheaper international version)

Do you know who sell Asian version?

[joelby]

Try http://abebooks.com and look for sellers in India. If they're cheap ($20), it'll be the Asian version.

[ivan747]

But, will the Asian version last for more than 5 years under moderate use, something like twice a week?

[solarmist]

Hello, everyone.

I'm sure everyone has been excitely waiting the end of the year for news of the third edition (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.0) So, I've taken it upon myself to ask for an update and surprise I got a response christmas morning. So, here's a christmas present for the electronics community

I asked "I was wondering if there's an update to when you think the 3rd edition might be out? "

And the response I got was as follows:

 We're getting closer.  For example, we broke the
 old 80-page precision and low-noise Chapter 7 into
 two, both greatly-expanded with massive cool stuff.
 We submitted Chapter 5, Precision Circuits, last
 summer, and it was 135 pages long.  This week
 we're finishing Chapter 8, Low-Noise Techniques,
 and we expect it to be about 130 pages.  So that's
 about 3x more great material, on just those two
 topics!  We expect y'all will love it.

 In January we'll submit chapter 9, Power Design -
 it's almost done now, and then we'll have submitted
 15 chapters, leaving five more "x" chapters to go.

 I think I mentioned the x chapters, with their extra,
 more-advanced material, so we certainly don't want
 to short-change them!  Anyway, three of those are
 more than half done, and we hope to have submitted
 everything by next summer.

 That means the book should be out by late 2012 or
 early 2013.


--
   - Win

Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA  02142



Happy Christmas everyone!

[saturation]

This is good news, but well crafted products are never rushed, and given so many false starts, we'll see how this goes.

Meanwhile the 1989 version can be had second hand for under $50 at used textbook depots:


http://www.textbookx.com/detail.php?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=price_comp&affiliate=froogle&action=buy&upc=9780521370950&cond=exchange&price=41.83

And warez versions litter the Internet so you prevue before you buy. The book is near 1000 pages, so if you tried printing it with a laser printer at $0.01 0.10 a page, it will still run you $100, you could buy a new version for that money.

[Excavatoree]

Isn't that ten dollars?  (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)

Nothing to see here.

[Chet T16]

Isn't that ten dollars?  (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)

Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!

[Excavatoree]

I wouldn't want a laser printed "book" even if I were stealing paper from work. 

I suppose a color laser page would be 10 cents (.10) so that would be a grand.  At work, they tell us a color print costs 7 cents.  I'm not sure i believe it.

[slateraptor]

Isn't that ten dollars?  (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)

Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!

Touche...LMFAO!!

[saturation]

Sorry, typo, error corrected.  That should be 10c a page, not 1c.  That's based on Kinkos B&W per page price, typically the price is more.

http://faq.bloglines.com/ref/Kinko%27s-Prices.html

If you own a personal laser printer, chances are its original makers cartridge would sell between $50-100 each, for ~ 3000 pages; that would be about 3c page, or $30.  YMMV depending if you can use remanufactured cartridges or refill original ones.

Isn't that ten dollars?  (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)

Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!

Touche...LMFAO!!

[slateraptor]

Sorry, typo, error corrected.  That should be 10c a page, not 1c.  That's based on Kinkos B&W per page price, typically the price is more.

http://faq.bloglines.com/ref/Kinko%27s-Prices.html

If you own a personal laser printer, chances are its original makers cartridge would sell between $50-100 each, for ~ 3000 pages; that would be about 3c page, or $30.  YMMV depending if you can use remanufactured cartridges or refill original ones.

Indeed, printing can be quite painful on the wallet...especially when you're paying someone else to do it. Good thing Uncle Sam usually keeps a healthy supply of printer ink on benchstock. 

[saturation]

Amen to that!  Refilling an original manufacturer brand new cartridge only cost $4 for another 3000 pages, and it works well on the 1st refill, but I don't get it past 3 refills without glitches in the printing mechanism, usually smudges and ink blobs.  We've had very bad luck buying re-manufactured cartridges from consolidators, these are 'pros' who buy used cartridges, refill them and sell them at a discount, in the end it costs the same as DIY.  I end up extending an original cartridge 3x its intended lifespan, so an $80 one is $80/3 +$4 for toner ~ $31 per 3000 pages from an original cartridge, re-manufactured ones cost about $35-40 each, but my labor .
 

Indeed, printing can be quite painful on the wallet...especially when you're paying someone else to do it. Good thing Uncle Sam usually keeps a healthy supply of printer ink on benchstock. 

[olepr01@gmail.com]

Almost a year since the last update, so I emailed the author. He gracefully (and quickly!) replied:

"Moving along, still expanding.  Out sometime late this year.
 But you'll want to patch up and keep your 2nd edition, five
 good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, that's
 gone from the 3rd edition."

[aluck]

That makes me think about The Great Chinese Wall history.

[poodyp]

Reminds me of when I was a kid and wanted some help with my brand new playstation and final fantasy 7, but didn't want to go back and forth from the TV to the computer, and so I printed up a 700 page FAQ to have with me while I played. Thankfully toner and paper were free from my dad's work.

[peterthenovice]

There has'nt been a update in two month. can you give us some info?

[jmc2000]

There has'nt been a update in two month. can you give us some info?

jeesh, leave poor Win alone 

[MikeK]

Being the classic it is, printed on acid free paper would help.  My book pages are turning yellow.

Acid-free paper and spiral bound.  Books like this that will get a lot of use should always be spiral bound!

[solarmist]

Hello all,

I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it.  They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).

And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.

I also posted this and previous emails on G+ (https://plus.google.com/u/1/115596717128422510188/posts)

Hello Mr. Hill,

I hope everything is going well for you this year.  I wanted to write once again to ask about the progress of the third edition of Art of Electronics.  When we spoke last year you said you were planning on cutting off writing new material at some point last year if the writing didn't finish soon. Have you finished writing and moved on to editing yet? 

Several people have contacted the publisher and have gotten responses to expect the book sometime around May 2014 (so a manuscript has been submitted and everyone is well into editing), but to me that feels like researcher's saying a new technology, like graphene transistors or brain to pc interfaces, should hit the market in the next 5-10 years. A great image, but not likely.

Where do you see the book in the pipeline? I'd like to share your opinion with the community again.

 The complete 15-chapter book has gone through copy-
 editing and we're doing our review pass now.  Then on
 to typesetting (editing of our TEX text, figure placement,
 etc) and then galleys, etc.   So next spring looks good.

 They will be an additional five chapter eXtension
 H&H AoE "x-chapter" book following in about a year
 with new advance materials.

[IonizedGears]

Why didn't they just make it so it has everything the second edition plus more? The way they did it is like having one phone for text messages and another for phone calls or some other concept equally as stupid. 

[joelby]

Presumably because there were bits of the 2nd edition that are now quite out of date? Having editions for 'core' and 'advance' materials means that you can keep reprinting the core forever, and only need to revise the advance bit as technology changes.

[IonizedGears]

Presumably because there were bits of the 2nd edition that are now quite out of date? Having editions for 'core' and 'advance' materials means that you can keep reprinting the core forever, and only need to revise the advance bit as technology changes.

 "But you'll want to patch up and keep your 2nd edition, five
 good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, that's
 gone from the 3rd edition."

If they were good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, why wouldn't they add that to the third edition in a revised format?

[Fsck]

I'm guessing they don't like the length of it. ie physical size of the book if it were included.

[IonizedGears]

I'm guessing they don't like the length of it. ie physical size of the book if it were included.

Well at least they could reference the second edition within the third edition. Such as: "You may find more information about [topic] in this chapter of the second edition." That way, the two books can easily be combined together with said references IMHO.

[solarmist]

Well at least they could reference the second edition within the third edition. Such as: "You may find more information about [topic] in this chapter of the second edition." That way, the two books can easily be combined together with said references IMHO.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do just that. At least in the foreword.

[IonizedGears]

So what extra things do they have in the third edition?

[solarmist]

Since the author is advocating keeping 2nd edition around I'd assume that just about everything is new or different.

[ablacon64]

That would be interesting, all new material complementing the second edition.

[IntegratedValve]

And when is the 3rd edition coming out? If there's no official date set that shows on major sellers or publisher site, then it's mirage, just to keep people going with the current edition.

[Smokey]

TAoE bump.
Happy Early Mid-2014!
Duke Nukem Forever made it.... TAoE can to!!  Keep the hope alive!

[Tris20]

TAoE bump.
Happy Early Mid-2014!
Duke Nukem Forever made it.... TAoE can to!!  Keep the hope alive!

Funny, I had EXACLTY the same thought yesterday but just didn't post it. Mainly because of the similarities between the hype of both and the massive disappointment I'm now anticipating.

[Legion]

Meh. 2nd edition is fine. It's not like anything significant has changed since the 80s. My TRS-80 is still top of the line!

[solarmist]

I've emailed about the status of the book and will send an update when I hear back.

[solarmist]

I got a response from Winfield today.

 

For the last several months we have been going over
 the 1400 figures, which were drafted in India.  We're
 editing them in Adobe Illustrator, and are 75% done.
 Then, after a last pass on text edits, we'll be making
 the index.  This involves thinking of all the alternate
 words blokes use to describe the same thing.  About
 that time CUP will start doing the page layout.  Then
 we'll have a galley proof to study and approve.

Looking on wikipedia Galley Proofs are limited runs used for proof reading and sometimes advance copies, so that should be the final step before mass publication. 

That said it sounds like there's a minimum of months of work remaining, but it does sound like less than six months of work to my, untrained, ears, so I'd expect to hear a real release date in about five or six months or shortly after (since people are horrible at estimates and always underestimate everything). 

I'd give a couple more months for reviewing the remaining figures, a few weeks for a last editing pass, and couple of months for the index, then a few weeks, maybe a month or two for proofreading. Then production would start and that would take a minimum of a few weeks to a couple months to build stock.

One article I found on Chronicle of Higher Education described hand building his index (completely after the fact) in a month. I'd expect some of this work to be done already and this to be a much large work, I'd expect two months there.

[Stephen Durr]

I wonder if there will be also a revised student manual to accompany the 3rd Ed. ?

[matrixofdynamism]

I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.

[lapm]

I just digged up my second edition of this book... Still rocks... But i'm so going to buy third one once its published... This book got me throw my engineering electronics stuff when i was in school still..

[MDG]

This from the Fall 2014 course information document on the Physics 123 home page http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~thayes/phys123/

"Texts: None to Buy
We should say that new editions of the texts that we use in this course are due in about a year (and always have been!). So, you may want to shop for a used copy of the big book—then buy the hot new editions in 2015?"

(Physics 123 used to be taught by Paul Horowitz and is apparently now taught by Tom Hayes, who has been a co-instructor for the course since at least the first edition of Art of Electronics and is a co-author on the second edition of the lab manual.)

[nctnico]

I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.

Important? Only wannabee engineers and managers have the AoE book. There is too little information on any subject to be useful for designing a real circuit. It might be interesting to look for buzz-words on how to tackle a certain problem but this website and Google do that just fine nowadays.

[rolycat]

I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.

Important? Only wannabee engineers and managers have the AoE book.

Given that most engineers start out as 'wannabees', presumably there is a ceremonial burning of the book when one qualifies?

(Feeling combative since GeoffS locked the entertaining British Wall Socket thread  )

[Corporate666]

I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.

Why?  It's not like Win is obligated to work on this book at a rate that satisfies anonymous people on the internet.  Maybe he enjoys spending time with his family.  Maybe he has lots of other work commitments.  Maybe the book is just a labor of love for him and he works on it when he has the time and motivation to.

I can't understand why people are bugging Win about this and/or drawing any inferences from the schedule.  It will be done when it's done, and if people choose to buy it once it's done - then they can buy it (or not, if they don't want to).

[GK]

(Feeling combative since GeoffS locked the entertaining British Wall Socket thread  )

I didn't even get an opportunity to bring up Gallipoli.

[solarmist]

Mr Hill doesn't seem to mind me sending an email once or twice a year, he's never been anything but excited and nice to me.

That said here's the most recent email between us.

Hi Mr. Hill,

I was just thinking it'd be nice to get the new edition for Christmas
and thought I'd send an email to see if that was realistic. Any chance
of seeing this on shelves this year? Or is page layout, indexing and
galley proofing still in process?  Or have I complete messed up how
long things take in publishing a book this size?

 Tell me about it!  Right now we're going through the
 book fixing errors.  We're still few weeks away from
 starting on the indexing, after that comes the page
 layout and then the galleys to inspect.

 They're telling us it may be on the streets by spring.

This is the first time he's mentioned an actual publish date coming back from the publishers, so that's good news, but he's been very optimistic every time I've talked to him, so I'd expect closer to summer or maybe even the fall date Amazon.ca is guessing at, but we're down to only three items left on the check list: Indexing, Layout and Proofing.  So I do think next fall is likely an upper limit on the work left. 

That said the last six months have been spent almost exclusively on fixing errors, so I certainly can't be confident in any predictions. 

Indexing is a large difficult project, but probably not the size of editing and fixing error in the entire volume, so my guess is probably around 3 months or so.
Layout isn't huge deal normally, but this is a huge project so I'd expect it to take as long as indexing.  If the authors aren't doing this themselves then it can be done concurrently with indexing. This article says it takes about a month to layout a normal book. http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/10/why-it-takes-so-long-to-publish-a-book/. So maybe another three months for this tome.
Galley Proofs are the final approval of pages and last minute typo catches, so I'd expect another month or so.
Finally they have to do the actual print run and plan a release.  I really hope they just push this through and do it in like a month to get it out.

That puts it at around 5-9 months of additional work left.

[Smokey]

Hah!  Let me know when I should start holding my breath....

[solarmist]

One more update I asked about.

Are you doing the layout yourselves or will that be happening
concurrently with indexing?

 The layout is a difficult and time-intensive process,
 and requires a special knowledge of LaTEX code, so
 it's being done by a professional team at CUG.  (We
 get to look at it in a follow-on approval step.)  They
 require that the index is finished before they start.
 We questioned that (the index doesn't need layout)
 for a minute, but then we realized that in re-reading
 the book to make the index, we're likely to see more
 important changes, so we keep quiet about the policy

So, it looks like it'll be on the longer side of my guess.  Next summer or fall seems realistic.

[T3sl4co1l]

Yikes... I've written a small, paper really, in LaTeX, with index, and it's easier to do it while you're writing... leaving it until the end is

Tim

[MicroHex]

So, uh, maybe it's just on Amazon Canada, but....

http://www.amazon.ca/dp/0521809266/

Yeah, appears to have a listing. If it's real, I do hope the 1980->1989->2015 isn't setting up a trend curve for the 4th edition.

[solarmist]

So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it.  Here it is for your reference.

Winfield here: Please hold off, we're looking at March 2015 (or maybe a bit later).  But I'm sure you'll be very pleased with the result.  We've massively re-written the book, with all kinds of useful new material, including bench measurements, etc.  We're talking someplace between 15 and 20 man-years in this new book.  Plus we've created an advanced follow-on book, called the x chapters, but sorry, you'll have to wait a bit for that to come out.

[Smokey]

So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it.

This is just stupid.  So if he had written that on his own site, then someone could have edited the wikipedia page to say:

"Quoting Winfield's site................"

Would that have been OK?

[T3sl4co1l]

Or for that matter, now that it's on this forum, it can be referred to here.  As long as it exists somewhere *other* than Wikipedia, that's all they care about.

[lapm]

I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.

Becouse its important it takes time to get it right.. Personally i buy it when its ready and as few errors as bossible by humans.

Considering how many pages and content 2nd edittion has im not suprised at all it takes time... Have my 2nd ed. close to my electronics desk for quick reference. Should have it rebinded one of these days, covers are coming loose for all the use i have get out of this book...

[solarmist]

So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it.

This is just stupid.  So if he had written that on his own site, then someone could have edited the wikipedia page to say:

"Quoting Winfield's site................"

Would that have been OK?

Yup, probably.  That's why I started posting my emails here before I added the info to wikipedia. You have to have a reference for any new information added to an article

[EEMarc]

I've read my 2nd edition book cover to cover multiple times.

I can't wait to see an updated version. The problem is that electronics have advanced so much over time that it is hard to keep up with. Even the earlier material produced for the third edition is probably becoming obsolete. That does make me worried about the Authors ability to release the book. I've had involvement with some technical books and documents. It is a work of art and royal PITA to get to the level of quality of this book.

[rodpp]

Pre order (expected April 30, 2015) in Amazon US, $108:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

[EEVblog]

Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.

[lapm]

Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.

Good God, i need to borrow that time machine...

Its good news that theres rough copies arround...

[rolycat]

Brits will have to wait another couple of months, although as compensation it appears to be a lot cheaper from the UK - only £46.13 which is currently about $69:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1

Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.

Also the legendary Jim Williams, who thinks it's 'simply spectacular'. This is particularly impressive given that he died nearly four years ago.

(I'm sure it's a legitimate quote, and he was speaking about an early draft.)

[EEVblog]

Also the legendary Jim Williams, who thinks it's 'simply spectacular'. This is particularly impressive given that he died nearly four years ago.

Holy crap, has it been 4 years?

[elgonzo]

Brits will have to wait another couple of months, although as compensation it appears to be a lot cheaper from the UK - only £46.13 which is currently about $69:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1

Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.

[Macbeth]

Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.

Well, it's apparently covered by amazons Pre-order Price Guarantee, which means you pay the price agreed even if the final published price is higher. If the final price is lower you only pay the lower price. Also the money isn't taken from your card until despatch day.

Seems like a no brainer to me - I got my order in quick sharp. Free Delivery too. 
The extra couple of months wait vs the USA edition is a bit of a downer 
I wonder, are the extra two months being used to add all the extra vowels us proper Queens English speakers require?

[elgonzo]

Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.

Well, it's apparently covered by amazons Pre-order Price Guarantee, which means you pay the price agreed even if the final published price is higher. If the final price is lower you only pay the lower price. Also the money isn't taken from your card until despatch day.

Mispricings are specifically excluded from Amazon's Pre-order Price Guarantee. If it would be indeed a mispricing the worst that can happen is Amazon cancelling the pre-orders. (The publisher states an UK price of about GBP 60, so at this time i would not yet rule out that the amazon.co.uk price is wrong - but even if it were, GBP 60 is still a very good price.)

[Macbeth]

Mispricings are specifically excluded from Amazon's Pre-order Price Guarantee. If it would be indeed a mispricing the worst that can happen is Amazon cancelling the pre-orders. (The publisher states an UK price of about GBP 60, so at this time i would not yet rule out that the amazon.co.uk price is wrong - but even if it were, GBP 60 is still a very good price.)

Yes, but amazon.co.uk quote the RRP at £59.99 - at worst the mis-price is £0.01p compared to Cambridge University Press. Amazon then quote a 23% discount off RRP. This is not a mis-price at all! 

[elgonzo]

Yes, but amazon.co.uk quote the RRP at £59.99 - at worst the mis-price is £0.01p compared to Cambridge University Press. Amazon then quote a 23% discount off RRP. This is not a mis-price at all! 

Oops, you are right. Didn't see that. 
I was only seeing the price in the center of the screen, my old eyes have difficulties looking somewhere else 
Fortunately that means no fingercrossing needed, and i can relax my hands now

[Mechanical Menace]

Brits will have to wait another couple of months, although as compensation it appears to be a lot cheaper from the UK - only £46.13 which is currently about $69:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1

Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.

Were lucky on not having VAT on books. https://www.gov.uk/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications---books-magazines-and-newspapers

[owiecc]

Ordered it from UK to DK. Even with shipping and Danish VAT i paid £65.

Just to tease you: AoE2 is translated into Polish. The price of the translated book is ca. £16

[elgonzo]

Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.

Were lucky on not having VAT on books. https://www.gov.uk/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications---books-magazines-and-newspapers

Yeah. You even do not have VAT on Jaffa biscuits ...pardon... cakes. 
But for many other EU countries, VAT will apply (the rate will differ from country to country, ofcourse). When delivering to a EU country, amazon.co.uk will charge the respective VAT.

[iz4afl]

Hi,
I have just got ToC and sample chapter 9 of the Art of Electronics 3rd ed. from Cambridge Univ. Press.
You can request your free chapter 9 copy here:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition

Table of Contents:
ONE: Foundations
TWO: Bipolar Transistors
THREE: Field-Effect Transistors
FOUR: Operational Amplifiers
FIVE: Precision Circuits
SIX: Filters
SEVEN: Oscillators and Timers
EIGHT: Low-Noise Techniques
NINE: Voltage Regulation and Power Conversion
TEN: Digital Logic
ELEVEN: Programmable Logic Devices
TWELVE: Logic Interfacing
THIRTEEN : Digital meets Analog
FOURTEEN: Computers, Controllers, andData Links
FIFTEEN: Microcontrollers

APPENDIX A: Math Review
APPENDIX B: How to Draw Schematic Diagrams
APPENDIX C: Resistor Types
APPENDIX D: Th´evenin’s Theorem
APPENDIX E: LC Butterworth Filters
APPENDIX F: Load Lines
APPENDIX G: The Curve Tracer
APPENDIX H: Transmission Lines and Impedance Matching
APPENDIX I: Television: A Compact Tutorial
APPENDIX J: SPICE Primer
APPENDIX K: “Where Do I Go to Buy Electronic Goodies?”
APPENDIX L: Workbench Instruments and Tools
APPENDIX M: Catalogs, Magazines, Databooks
APPENDIX N: Further Reading and References
APPENDIX O: The Oscilloscope
APPENDIX P: Acronyms and Abbreviations

[Smokey]

Ahhhh come on and post the download password here.  You know you want to!  It's probably something like "I<3TAoE3ed" anyway.

[iz4afl]

you are almost right:
Artofelectronics3

;-)

[max666]

amazon.de has it pre-order for EUR 66,95 and expected to deliver in May. 
I pre-ordered it right now.

[Fraser]

Ordered a good condition used hardcover copy of AoE 2 (£19) and a new copy of AoE 3 (£53) today. Plenty of good reading material there 

I bought the AoE 2 because of the comments of the author regarding material that had to be removed. I would always have wondered what I was missing 

Aurora

[jbravo]

Hello, everyone.

I'm sure everyone has been excitely waiting the end of the year for news of the third edition (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.0) So, I've taken it upon myself to ask for an update and surprise I got a response christmas morning. So, here's a christmas present for the electronics community

I asked "I was wondering if there's an update to when you think the 3rd edition might be out? "

And the response I got was as follows:

 We're getting closer.  For example, we broke the
 old 80-page precision and low-noise Chapter 7 into
 two, both greatly-expanded with massive cool stuff.
 We submitted Chapter 5, Precision Circuits, last
 summer, and it was 135 pages long.  This week
 we're finishing Chapter 8, Low-Noise Techniques,
 and we expect it to be about 130 pages.  So that's
 about 3x more great material, on just those two
 topics!  We expect y'all will love it.

 In January we'll submit chapter 9, Power Design -
 it's almost done now, and then we'll have submitted
 15 chapters, leaving five more "x" chapters to go.

 I think I mentioned the x chapters, with their extra,
 more-advanced material, so we certainly don't want
 to short-change them!  Anyway, three of those are
 more than half done, and we hope to have submitted
 everything by next summer.

 That means the book should be out by late 2012 or
 early 2013.


--
   - Win

Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA  02142



Happy Christmas everyone!

[jbravo]

I have purchased the book and is too heavy to read it on the go. Is there any special offer for buying the Kindle version or would I have to pay full price, since I want to have it in the top formats.
Thanks