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Title: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on March 08, 2019, 09:48:58 am
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Paul and I are days away from turning in the
 manuscript on our new x-Chapters book, and I
 decided to add this and a few other cheap
 AC-to-DC-power circuits, for entertainment.
 So I created one with SPICE, ...

Let's hope that creeping featureitis doesn't intervene :)

Source: that greybeards discussion group, https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sci.electronics.design/bQ5fG5FsUzw Discretion is advised; it is the good ole wild west over there :)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tonyarkles on March 09, 2019, 02:56:57 am
Well that is just plain wonderful! I was just looking for something in AoE the other day and they referenced an X-chapter.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on April 24, 2019, 12:13:33 pm
Very occasionally I don't mind doing viral marketing. More tantalisation...

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Read and comment.  AoE x-Chapters,
 High-Speed op-amps section, DRAFT.

 Recall, the AoE x-Chapters are advanced material that
 was meant to come after each relevant chapter, can skip
 on a quick first read, go back later for detailed info.
 But as main book was growing over 2000 pages, we opted to
 bring out main book first, including x-Chapter cross refs,
 follow with x-Chapter book.   As explained in the preface.

 26 pages of good stuff, from new sections 4x.5 and 4x.6 
 Chapter 4x is to supplement H&H AoE III, chapters 4,5,8.
 (Full Chapter 4x is now 146 pages long, still growing.)

 DRAFT, but getting close to being complete.

 Are explanations excellent, good, OK, or confusing?
 Examine tables, any of your favorite parts missing?**
 Want a separate low-power table?  Can we skip that?
 Is the CFB op-amp scene explained well enough?
 Did you like VFB scatterplots?  Need some for CFB?
 Have a favorite trick that should be included?
 Make comments here or send to [email protected]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0)

 ** For op-amps that come in multiple variants, i.e.,
 single, dual, quad, we list only one part, and show
 # per pkg variants in next column, so you may not see
 your part, e.g., we show OPA192, not OPA2192 or OPA4192.
 As you can see, we were forced to economize on space.

--
 Thanks,
    - Win
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on June 24, 2019, 11:09:13 am
The end of the tantalisation is in sight...

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From: Winfield Hill
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: OT: milestone, the x-Chapters
Date: 24 Jun 2019 03:38:40 -0700

 Last night we handed over finished latex and
 eps files, for AoE The x-Chapters, to our
 long-suffering editor at CUP.

 Amazing stuff * went in during the last 10 days,
 plus I get to make submissions and corrections
 for maybe three more weeks, while the files
 are being processed.  The draft pdf version
 has over 650 pages.

 * Hundreds of explorations and explanations
 of exotic engineering stuff you need to know.
 * A dozen varied examples of using power MOSFETs
 to solve difficult linear-circuit problems.
 * A neat TIA amplifier with an 8-decade dynamic
 range, 12-bit precision, not a log converter!
 Example use: a starlight to sunlight digitizer.
 * A true DC transformer. Keep your extra energy.
 * Control your piezo with charge, not voltage.
 * 1.2kV HV amplifier, with DC-to-1MHz range.
 * 100V 5A DC-10MHz 1000V/us power amplifier.
 * More light, pulse your LED at 200 amps.
 * Fast 1.5kV 2pF floating current source.
 * Hundreds of other cool things, too tired to
 type, need sleep.


--
 Thanks,
    - Win

Sample bits of it are floating around, if you know where to look, and it looks worth the wait.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Yansi on June 24, 2019, 11:19:01 am
That seems to be very interesting!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on June 24, 2019, 01:46:29 pm
Plus...

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Yes, everything is tuned for a Dec 1st release.
--
 Thanks,
    - Win
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: ebastler on June 24, 2019, 06:09:46 pm
Thanks for the heads-up!

However, based on my experience with the main volume of the 3rd edition, I will not buy the first printing, but wait for a corrected printing. The length of the errata list was a bit of a disappointment... I would have hoped for a trade-in option for buyers of the first printing (get a discount on a corrected printing when turning in your original version), but realize that this is wishful thinking.

I'm sure I'll think about something else for the Christmas wishlist!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: DarkLight on July 02, 2019, 09:33:42 pm

"The x Chapter" is available on Amazon for pre-order ... for next year!?!

link: shorturl.at/mSUW8 (http://shorturl.at/mSUW8)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 05, 2019, 02:24:08 pm
OK, but then who's gonna find the errors?  Plus, don't you want you name up in the errata fame pages?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 05, 2019, 02:30:23 pm
I can't tell, did anybody put up the DropBox link for the draft 26-page High-speed Op-amps section?  Check out the tables, scatterplots and measurements.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: exe on July 05, 2019, 02:44:50 pm
"The x Chapter" is available on Amazon for pre-order ... for next year!?!

Patience :). It takes as much as it takes. I'm glad they split the book into two, so we can already enjoy the 3rd edition, and now X-chapters are coming. Can't imagine how much effort it takes.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on July 05, 2019, 05:16:35 pm
I can't tell, did anybody put up the DropBox link for the draft 26-page High-speed Op-amps section?  Check out the tables, scatterplots and measurements.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0)

I certainly didn't, on principle - disseminating it is your prerogative.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 06, 2019, 02:35:06 am
Anything that appears on usenet, sci.electronics.design, has been disseminated!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on July 06, 2019, 06:43:20 am
Anything that appears on usenet, sci.electronics.design, has been disseminated!

Regrettably that's become a pretty exclusive community! It feels like a group of acquaintances in a pub, not a large audience.

Having said that, I have given sufficient clues that your various excerpts could be found by those with sufficient interest.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: nfmax on July 06, 2019, 09:03:01 am
Patience - Winfield Hill also has a day job!

As I found when I came across Navsh Wadhwa's paper on the speed/torque characteristics of the bacterial flagellar motor: http://www.pnas.org/lookup/doi/10.1073/pnas.1904577116 (http://www.pnas.org/lookup/doi/10.1073/pnas.1904577116). Win gets an acknowledgement 'for improvements in the electronics'. This is pretty cool - describing a dynamometer that measures a maximum torque of ~1250 pNm and a speed of ~16,000 rpm, on a biological motor which is a few tens of nm across (dynamically varying in size as stator units are added or deleted in response to the applied load - go read the paper!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on July 06, 2019, 11:59:24 am
For everybody's information:

Amazon now has the X-Chapters book up for pre-order with a due date of 31 January 2020. I don't know whether Amazon are hedging their bets with the date or whether the 1st Dec 2019 target date (as previously supplied by Winfield) has slipped.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: rstofer on July 06, 2019, 03:20:10 pm
It looks like Amazon has pushed the date to March 31, 2020.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1108499945 (https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1108499945)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: gnavigator1007 on July 06, 2019, 03:26:06 pm
Release dates are different for US Amazon and UK Amazon
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 06, 2019, 07:50:25 pm
Thanks, I had heard there was a paper, but I hadn't seen it.  "Improvements in the electronics", sheesh.  It's hard for engineers to get credit!  The experiment required me to create three complex instruments.  I conceived and designed all three, and supervised my technician building them, and then years later I created a new version of the third one, and after losing my technician, hand-made one: a DC-to-10MHz 100-volt 5A laboratory power amplifier, with a 1000V/us slew rate.  That's the AMP-70A, which has been explored on the DIY audio group (including a gang of fellows working with Jan Didden), and which is described in the new x-Chapter book, in section 2x.14.  Here's a draft copy.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfy58xfcv1m1inb/AMP-70A_ch-2x14_aoex-DRAFT.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfy58xfcv1m1inb/AMP-70A_ch-2x14_aoex-DRAFT.pdf?dl=0)
Or you can explore the entire AMP-70A DIY folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dno89om1uezxs8a/AACoJsLyNazSQZvE9_cTcH4Ja?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dno89om1uezxs8a/AACoJsLyNazSQZvE9_cTcH4Ja?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: nfmax on July 14, 2019, 11:27:28 am
Thanks, that's interesting - and relevant to the ultrasonic transducer driver design I am currently pondering.

In paragraph 2x.14.1, you refer to 'a complementary push-pull emitter follower Q6-Q10'. I think that should be Q7-Q10.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 14, 2019, 02:08:56 pm
OK, thanks, I've fixed it.  We still have another month to find and fix typos like that before the book goes to print, so any errors found or suggestions made are welcomed!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on July 19, 2019, 05:53:13 pm
More tantalisation...
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A new section from the AoE x-Chapters book,
 for you to read, enjoy, and make comments.

 A 30-Year MOSFET Saga, The next 15 years,
 and Four kinds of power MOSFETs.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qh8dxgielrkqvq/chap-3x.11_MOSFET-saga_2019-07-19.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qh8dxgielrkqvq/chap-3x.11_MOSFET-saga_2019-07-19.pdf?dl=0)
--
 Thanks,
    - Win

I expect there will be interesting comments on usenet group sci.electronics.design
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 19, 2019, 06:00:15 pm
The last 11 pages of this 18-page section were just finished, and have not been reviewed by our copy editor (and may not be, as the book is going into page layout shortly), so we'd appreciate any comments, especially from sharp-eyed readers.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Haasje93 on July 19, 2019, 09:17:45 pm
Hello Mr Hill,

I just started reading the pages and i found something.
In footnote 69, there is stated, that in the table stands die size 8mm2. That you can read it as 8mm by 8mm. But if my basics are quite right, it is wrong. Because 8mm by 8mm is 64mm2. Hope to hear from you.

Best regards,
Christiaan
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: winfieldhill on July 19, 2019, 10:31:37 pm
Thanks for your comment and question.  Well, I see we were quoting IR's HEXFET Databook, HDB-1, 1981, page 96, as to their particular notation method.  Now I'd better go back to that 1981 source material and go through it again.  And of course, 8^2 and 8x8 are the same thing, 64 squares, 64 square mm, etc.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on July 27, 2019, 12:12:59 am
One of several more tantalising snippets https://www.dropbox.com/s/2urywtwwlpt6sjb/2x.12_negative-resistance_WH.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2urywtwwlpt6sjb/2x.12_negative-resistance_WH.pdf?dl=1) illustrates one of the reasons it is so difficult to finish the d*mn thing[1]. Note the date in footnote 46

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-art-of-electronics-x-chapters/?action=dlattach;attach=795651)

It also illustrates why electronics is so fascinating, and why I regretted leaving active development for the darkside.

[1] in reality, it can only be abandoned, not finished
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: jmsc_02 on August 17, 2019, 09:59:37 pm
Is there available a TOC?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Black Phoenix on August 18, 2019, 12:13:52 am
I just hope that the X-Chapters and the Learning the Art of Electronics - A Hands-On Lab Course are also released in electronic format as the Art of Electronics 3rd edition was.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Paul Horowitz on November 06, 2019, 12:07:46 am
"The Art of Electronics - the x-Chapters" is currently at the UK printer, with the ink drying by the last week in November 2019; although the "official" publication date is the end of January 2020, we're told that there should be availability sometime in December.  We've already pre-ordered our own copies!

I don't think there would be any objection to our posting the ToC -- anyone interested?  Also, we're going to put up a website in the next couple of weeks, with some sample chapter sections... stand by!

Paul
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: mcovington on November 06, 2019, 03:07:34 am
As another Cambridge U. Press author I can attest that release dates are hard to predict, and my latest book made it to New Zealand before the United States, and some Americans got it before Amazon showed it in stock.  I wish you success!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on November 06, 2019, 08:48:07 am
I don't think there would be any objection to our posting the ToC -- anyone interested?  Also, we're going to put up a website in the next couple of weeks, with some sample chapter sections... stand by!

Some tasters are available, e.g.
1x.1 Wire and Connectors: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz335xwvl5v8gie/1x.1_Wire-%26-Connectors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz335xwvl5v8gie/1x.1_Wire-%26-Connectors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=1)
1x.2 Resistors: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dli62uyuldr7z5q/1x.2_Resistors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/dli62uyuldr7z5q/1x.2_Resistors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=1)
9x.16 Bus Converter: the “DC Transformer”: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nrp5paq1j1u5756/9x.16_DC-xfmr.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/nrp5paq1j1u5756/9x.16_DC-xfmr.pdf?dl=1)
9x.23 Sending Power on a Beam of Light https://www.dropbox.com/s/xj5hewvisdo7ai4/9x.23_light-power.pdf?dl=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xj5hewvisdo7ai4/9x.23_light-power.pdf?dl=1)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: borjam on November 06, 2019, 10:38:27 am
Preordered on Amazon.co.uk :)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: borjam on November 06, 2019, 10:53:36 am
Preordered on Amazon.co.uk :)
And why not on amazon.ES like I did?

 :-DD I preordered it on amazon.es indeed. I was confused, I preordered something else on Amazon.co.uk because it's not available on .es :D

(Making Waves, The Art of Cinematic Sound if you are curious).
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on November 06, 2019, 12:17:21 pm
 :popcorn: Would love to have one signed by the authors... is there any chance?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Smokey on November 06, 2019, 02:13:40 pm
Sweet.  Preordered.  Price is even pretty reasonable.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on November 06, 2019, 06:58:18 pm
Preordered too.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: georgeleeroy on November 22, 2019, 02:05:04 am
In the wires and connectors chapter, Table 1x.3, is Fmax of APC-7 really 50 Ghz? Thought it was more like 18, maybe 20.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Bud on November 22, 2019, 03:39:41 am
On Amazon.ca preorders are not available, but i went to amazon.com and preordered from there just fine, with shipping to Canada.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Paul Horowitz on November 27, 2019, 05:10:13 pm
[attachimg=1]Breaking news: the x-chapters are in print!  We just got the first two copies to arrive in the Western hemisphere (see picture).  Here's the link to the website: x.artofelectronics.net
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on November 27, 2019, 05:19:46 pm
We just got the first two copies to arrive in the Western hemisphere (see picture).  Here's the link to the website: x.artofelectronics.net

 :-+

I'd love to have a signed copy. Is that possible?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: KE5FX on November 27, 2019, 05:53:29 pm
In the wires and connectors chapter, Table 1x.3, is Fmax of APC-7 really 50 Ghz? Thought it was more like 18, maybe 20.

Wikipedia says 18, but they were used without (significant) moding on the HP 8517A/B test sets rated for 50 GHz, so...  :-//  Good question.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: bsdphk on November 27, 2019, 06:14:06 pm
The HP8517, properly calibrated, will have compensated for any small-ish deviations from the connector.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: KE5FX on November 27, 2019, 06:28:56 pm
The HP8517, properly calibrated, will have compensated for any small-ish deviations from the connector.

True enough, but that reasoning only goes so far.  For instance, if a mode results in large impedance excursions at certain frequencies and you connect the test set to an amplifier port that expects something close to 50R, you might need to de-embed the results. 

As in, "de-embed" the fragments of the MMIC package from your ceiling tiles.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Paul Horowitz on November 27, 2019, 07:20:15 pm
Winfield and I are happy to sign books, but the shipping to and fro complicates things.  Win has sometimes bought copies of AoE3, which we've then signed and put on eBay for a fixed "buy it now" price that covers our costs (book plus postage).  We'll probably continue that tradition, which aligns well with our test purchases (for checking for counterfeits).
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on January 14, 2020, 02:50:23 pm
FYI, in response to someone receiving the book, Win Hill points out...

 Whoa, lucky you!  Paul and I haven't even gotten our
 on-order boxes of books yet.

 BTW, reminder, CUP's 20% discount is over 29 February.
 "use code AEX2019P at the checkout to receive a 20%
 discount!"

https://view.updates.cambridge.org/?qs=e5cee29db3292f77662e391d0ad84649df61c049e5a1ea7f5725fcdc4d6b171a8c35523f08a0116ce2c476d7bd11ffc0ef97587b42f9f7e462ea6d6d7cd02b077aba63d0ae44ea83d2d46e6901d9d796

Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on January 14, 2020, 03:12:03 pm
FYI, in response to someone receiving the book, Win Hill points out...

 Whoa, lucky you!  Paul and I haven't even gotten our
 on-order boxes of books yet.

 BTW, reminder, CUP's 20% discount is over 29 February.
 "use code AEX2019P at the checkout to receive a 20%
 discount!"

https://view.updates.cambridge.org/?qs=e5cee29db3292f77662e391d0ad84649df61c049e5a1ea7f5725fcdc4d6b171a8c35523f08a0116ce2c476d7bd11ffc0ef97587b42f9f7e462ea6d6d7cd02b077aba63d0ae44ea83d2d46e6901d9d796

Cool! I didn't know that you could pre-order through CUP. I've been avoiding pre-ordering it through Amazon for all the usual reasons (awful labour practices, not paying any taxes etc.). Now pre-ordered with CUP with a grand saving of £0.10 on the Amazon price as well as a clear conscience - cushty!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on January 15, 2020, 09:26:21 pm
FYI, in response to someone receiving the book, Win Hill points out...

 Whoa, lucky you!  Paul and I haven't even gotten our
 on-order boxes of books yet.

 BTW, reminder, CUP's 20% discount is over 29 February.
 "use code AEX2019P at the checkout to receive a 20%
 discount!"

https://view.updates.cambridge.org/?qs=e5cee29db3292f77662e391d0ad84649df61c049e5a1ea7f5725fcdc4d6b171a8c35523f08a0116ce2c476d7bd11ffc0ef97587b42f9f7e462ea6d6d7cd02b077aba63d0ae44ea83d2d46e6901d9d796

Cool! I didn't know that you could pre-order through CUP. I've been avoiding pre-ordering it through Amazon for all the usual reasons (awful labour practices, not paying any taxes etc.). Now pre-ordered with CUP with a grand saving of £0.10 on the Amazon price as well as a clear conscience - cushty!

Yes, I would have preferred that too.

I've just been informed my £40 Amazon book should arrive 5th/6th February.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on January 16, 2020, 12:14:23 pm
Look what the postman just handed to me!

[attachimg=1]

No questions on the contents yet please, I've literally had this 5 minutes.

Edited to add:

"Pre-ordered" through CUP on this Tuesday afternoon around 3 pm with the expectation of a fair old wait for it - arrived midday today. That's less than 48 hours from 'pre-order' to delivery.

I think I'll go and buy a lottery ticket and see if my Doctor's got an appointment free tommorrow at a time that's super-convenient for me. :-)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on January 16, 2020, 02:32:08 pm
Lucky. Here Amazon says it's going to be another month.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: mark03 on January 16, 2020, 05:04:17 pm
FYI, if you are in the US like me, ordering through CUP with the discount code may not beat the Amazon price, but it is close.  Close enough to avoid Amazon IMO.  (The difference for me was less than a dollar.)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: mcovington on January 17, 2020, 01:50:49 pm
Yesterday I canceled my Amazon pre-order and ordered from CUP.  (I'm in the US and am a CUP author, so I get a discount.)  They claim it is available in the US now; that is, this is not a pre-order.  They have not yet told me the order has shipped, though.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on January 17, 2020, 01:58:41 pm
İ think İ'm going to do that too.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Noy on January 18, 2020, 06:56:27 pm
Im from Germany.
Amazon said today its shipped. It will arrive in monday 😁
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: German_EE on January 18, 2020, 07:42:47 pm
OK, please take a step backwards for a moment because I need some help here. I might have glanced through the Art of Electronics a few times and I am aware of its legendary status among the electronics community, but what are 'X-Chapters'?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on January 18, 2020, 08:33:22 pm
You will have seen many references in TAoE like 3x.11. They are references to the x-chapters.

FFI https://x.artofelectronics.net
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Electro Detective on January 18, 2020, 09:29:34 pm

AOR 'X-Chapters' would make a great TV mini-series.

Picture the authors doing the wiggling torch thing in some dusty cobweb filled secret underground bunker  :scared: :scared: 

investigating and dissecting electronic equipment of unknown origin and purpose   ???  :o


Might get a couple of seasons out of it, or do a frugal production and wack it on Youtube  8)


I'll show myself to the door..  :palm:
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Echo88 on January 18, 2020, 10:58:00 pm
Got my book today :)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: mcovington on January 21, 2020, 05:10:04 am
Got mine today - Athens, Georgia, USA - ordered from CUP in the USA a few days ago.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: ivaylo on January 22, 2020, 12:59:52 am
Ordered from CUP last week with the discount coupon someone posted here, x-chapters arrived today, pretty pleased...
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: fastguido on January 30, 2020, 12:37:33 am
For those who have received the book, how is the condition of the book itself. I am on my third one from Amazon, they just throw it in a box with no packing, corners all dog-eared, even after taking to CS about the lack of protection. I just ordered one from CUP, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on January 30, 2020, 12:48:26 am
Mine was perfect, came from amazon.de
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: richnormand on January 30, 2020, 01:27:17 am
Ordered mine from Amazon.ca last friday. Arrived monday in perfect condition.
Packed in a large box with big inflated plastic bubbles wrap inside.
Delivered by FedEx.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: notsob on January 30, 2020, 02:35:54 am
received my copy late last week, from bookdepository.com
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Smokey on January 31, 2020, 01:38:07 am
For those who have received the book, how is the condition of the book itself. I am on my third one from Amazon, they just throw it in a box with no packing, corners all dog-eared, even after taking to CS about the lack of protection. I just ordered one from CUP, fingers crossed.

THIS!...

Stupid amazon.  Book was just sitting with the face against one side of the box with a single bubble pack on the other side.   Free to slide around at will, which it did.  Smashed corner.  That's just stupid, so I made them pay for it.  Free two day shipping of the replacement and a $10 credit.  The new one shows up packed exactly the same as the first, but luckily the hulk didn't deliver this one and it wasn't damaged. 

Question.  When amazon is at fault for inadequately packaging the shipment, who eats the cost of replacement?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on January 31, 2020, 02:08:44 am
Got notified of shipment today, should receive it in a couple days now. I hope it's worth it! :P
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: ebastler on January 31, 2020, 06:20:53 am
Question.  When amazon is at fault for inadequately packaging the shipment, who eats the cost of replacement?

All of Amazon's customers, since these "costs of doing business" become part of their sales prices.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on February 02, 2020, 08:19:30 pm
OK, just received it today. (And yes, Amazon shipped it in a small box with no padding, so there's a corner slightly smashed, but it's really not much - I won't return it - but yeah Amazon definitely sucks at shipping books.

Anyway, yeah the book is a nice addition to the AoE. Not disappointed. (Not too much anyway! ;D )

Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Paul Horowitz on February 03, 2020, 07:31:51 pm
Here's a place you can get it... CUP's bookstore in Cambridge UK, with nice reflection of olde English architecture [attachimg=1]
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: aargee on February 04, 2020, 01:43:40 am
Damn, nine months ago I could have had that argument about baggage allowances with the better half, as we visited Cambridge. :-P
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: GeorgeOfTheJungle on February 04, 2020, 01:47:38 am
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=173685.0;attach=921416;image)

 :-+ That's a placement for a best seller!
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: julianhigginson on February 04, 2020, 02:05:06 am
Just saw this new thread activity now.

Ordered!

It's a really nice feeling to be able to order direct from the publisher without using amazon.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: aargee on February 04, 2020, 12:24:12 pm
How did you do that, I can’t seem to order it from Cambridge Press from Aus?
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on February 04, 2020, 03:10:44 pm
Here's a place you can get it... CUP's bookstore in Cambridge UK, with nice reflection of olde English architecture (Attachment Link)

Nice!

Would have been a bit of a trip for me just to get a book though - not that the trip wouldn't have been pleasant. ;D
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: janoc on February 04, 2020, 03:27:36 pm
I have got mine yesterday from Amazon, came in good condition, even though it was just in a normal envelope style carton, without padding. I guess if yours got smashed, it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.

I thought that the book will be more or less just a few "esoteric" topics that I won't really need so much, so I have ordered it just to complete the AoE book I have already. Man, was I wrong! Chock-full of useful info, especially for someone like me who isn't EE by trade.  :-+
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on February 04, 2020, 03:37:07 pm
..., it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist...
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: worsthorse on February 04, 2020, 04:49:04 pm
I ordered mine from Amazon, cancelled the order when I found out that I could order it from CUPS. Received it about ten days ago; in perfect condition. 

Fourteen pages, just on resistors. What more do I need to say?   ;D
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: SiliconWizard on February 04, 2020, 04:55:04 pm
I have got mine yesterday from Amazon, came in good condition, even though it was just in a normal envelope style carton, without padding. I guess if yours got smashed, it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.

It was delivered by an Amazon delivery guy directly. Dunno about all the intermerdiaries there is before. But the package itself didn't show any sign of damage. I think it's just the packaging step itself that slightly damaged a corner because it was just a bit too tight.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: janoc on February 04, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
..., it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Yay duh, sorry, English is only my third or fourth language.

Even worse, I live in France atm, where the verb "expédier" and the derived noun "expédition" don't mean only Livingstone's trip but mostly someone dispatching a package/order from a warehouse.

 :palm:
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: janoc on February 04, 2020, 07:24:48 pm
It was delivered by an Amazon delivery guy directly. Dunno about all the intermerdiaries there is before. But the package itself didn't show any sign of damage. I think it's just the packaging step itself that slightly damaged a corner because it was just a bit too tight.

Here in Picardy they use mostly contractors, there is nothing like an "Amazon delivery guy" here. Always an unmarked white van, driven by a private contractor that likely does deliveries also for TNT, Mondial Relay and who knows who else when he doesn't drive pizza or a taxi around. But maybe that's because I live only about 10km from a large Amazon depot. Otherwise they ship by Post.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on February 04, 2020, 07:56:10 pm
..., it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Yay duh, sorry, English is only my third or fourth language.

Even worse, I live in France atm, where the verb "expédier" and the derived noun "expédition" don't mean only Livingstone's trip but mostly someone dispatching a package/order from a warehouse.

 :palm:

No foul, it kind of, sort of, works in English as well but is (1) a very unusual construction, (2) too good a pun to pass up.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: wohali on February 05, 2020, 10:39:16 pm
Just got my copy from amazon.ca ("Ships from and sold by Amazon.ca.") I'm worried this is a counterfeit. Can anyone who ordered theirs from CUP, or amazon.com  help confirm? I'm seeing:


Most of the other "tell-tale" signs as posted at https://artofelectronics.net/the-book/counterfeit-editions/ (https://artofelectronics.net/the-book/counterfeit-editions/) are not present. The "fi" ligature on the title page is present, the cover on the spine is not wrinkled, pages are not stuck together at the edges, pages do not extend into the gutter, the black end-pages are smooth and not glue-smudged, the photographs are clear, and the price was CDN$ 68.95.

If this is how the book is - that's fine, I can live with thin paper and a bit of skew. But if it's not how it should be, I want to be sure this goes back to Amazon (and I'll order a replacement directly from CUP!)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: gnavigator1007 on February 05, 2020, 11:00:23 pm
Sounds ok. Ordered mine from CUP and is same as you describe yours though I had not really noticed other than the pages being a bit see through. Perhaps some of these things are intended to help distinguish the legit item from counterfeits  :-// 
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: ebastler on February 05, 2020, 11:06:52 pm
Just got my copy from amazon.ca ("Ships from and sold by Amazon.ca.") I'm worried this is a counterfeit. Can anyone who ordered theirs from CUP, or amazon.com  help confirm? I'm seeing:

I didn't order the X-chapters yet, but have just received a new copy of the main 3rd edition volume. (The "improved" version, whch Amazon.co.uk currently sells at a low price, as discussed in another thread here. I wanted a copy with the known errors corrected.)

Compared to my 1st printing of the 3rd edition, I can confirm that the paper of the new printing is indeed thinner. The book is a few mm thinner than the original printing, and more noticeably the printing on the reverse side is indeed much more visible with the new paper.

The top margin is smaller than the bottom one; that's probably intentional. (It's 1.4 cm, not mm, right?). But no skewed printing that I would have noticed.

So I guess the new choice of paper is a general CUP decision. Not an improvement. The new book is certainly usable, but the original printing is more pleasant to read. I am torn which of the two copies I should make my main go-to book now...
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tggzzz on February 05, 2020, 11:09:41 pm
My copy from Amazon UK...
Overall, I wouldn't worry, and I doubt decent counterfeits would be available so quickly. In a short time, maybe.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: rdl on February 05, 2020, 11:18:01 pm
The last new book I bought from Amazon had very thin pages. It also had a solid color sticker on the front cover that seemed rather pointless and I wondered why it was there. So I peeled it off. Under it was printed:

     Indian Edition
----------------------
For Sale in India Only
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: wohali on February 05, 2020, 11:32:10 pm
Thanks everyone - false alarm. Glad to clear that up.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on February 05, 2020, 11:58:17 pm

Casting my ex-printer's and book binder's eye over the book I'd say the following.

Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: thm_w on February 06, 2020, 11:56:30 pm
Seems like there is nowhere to buy the ebook or PDF yet. Or some sort of direct donation to the authors.
I have no interest in owning the physical book.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: julianhigginson on February 07, 2020, 12:35:28 am
Just saw this new thread activity now.

Ordered!

It's a really nice feeling to be able to order direct from the publisher without using amazon.

WOW that was fast.

Less than 72 hours from placing the order to receiving the book.
Looks like my CUP order came from the Australian CUP office... Australian tax invoice and everything.
They must have had it ready in stock here, and sent it straight out. (despite only having it on their site as a preorder..)

Now to get some time off projects to actually read it.. :-)
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Black Phoenix on February 07, 2020, 02:14:03 am
Seems like there is nowhere to buy the ebook or PDF yet. Or some sort of direct donation to the authors.
I have no interest in owning the physical book.

Yes that is my gripe about it too. The Art of Electronics exists in eBook, but both the Learning the Art of Electronics and this new one X-Chapters they don't exist in electronic format. Release and I will buy them in a flash.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: julianhigginson on February 07, 2020, 04:04:59 am
How is AoE in eebok format? what device do you use to read it?

I've had terrible experiences with kindle format technical books... To the point where I just won't buy them any more.
Graphs and diagrams pixellated to the point of being useless,  having to constantly pinch in and out and lose what I'm up to....
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Cerebus on February 07, 2020, 06:04:55 pm
Seems like there is nowhere to buy the ebook or PDF yet. Or some sort of direct donation to the authors.
I have no interest in owning the physical book.

There isn't an ebook yet, but if the demand is there then they'll 'print' one. Go to the CUP website, find the book and there's an "I want this as an ebook" link, click on it to signal that there's a demand for an ebook version.
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: tomeo.gonzales on February 14, 2020, 07:32:22 pm
I really like the laboratory DC power supply (page 454).
I want to build one for myself but designing a PCB for it is well beyond my knowledge.
If some PCB guru on this forum can design and publish Gerber file for this power supply it will be a nice gift for all beginners.

Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: KE5FX on February 14, 2020, 09:29:45 pm
I really like the laboratory DC power supply (page 454).
I want to build one for myself but designing a PCB for it is well beyond my knowledge.

Step 1: Do it anyway.

Quote
If some PCB guru on this forum can design and publish Gerber file for this power supply it will be a nice gift for all beginners.

Step 2: Post your board design here for criticism.  That, you will get for free. :) 
Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: worsthorse on February 21, 2020, 12:35:50 am

I didn't realize counterfeits of AoE were a thing until I read this thread. I checked and yeah, I got a rip off version, shipped through Amazon but not by Amazon. Unfortunately, I didn't figure it out until it was too late to ship it back.

I still don't know how I managed to miss Paul's last name being spelled wrong on the inside title page.  |O



Title: Re: The Art of Electronics X-Chapters
Post by: Caliaxy on March 13, 2020, 01:45:37 pm
Unfortunately, I didn't figure it out until it was too late to ship it back.

I would still try to contact Amazon and inquire them about swapping the counterfeit for a legit version (and paying for the difference, if the counterfeit was cheaper). The might not care, but they might - it’s worth a try.