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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2023, 11:46:59 am »
Thou Shalt Not Criticize the Raspberry Pi Foundation, the PR Division of Broadcom (with the Assistance of University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory), or gnuarm Will Be Very Unhappy.

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2023, 11:49:39 am »
Also, discussion = complaining.
 
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2023, 11:54:13 am »
It is a shame that something created to help the younger generation learn about coding etc has been taken over by businesses that use them for their systems so when there were limits on parts the priority went to the business users.

Agreed, especially considering the RPi fundation is a fundation, non-profit org with specific goals which are definitely not helping commercial companies make a profit.
I don't know how they even get away with it, but that's complex legal shit.

Some will just tell you that the fundation needs to make enough revenue to keep operating and thus fullfilling its goals, and if that means selling most of their products to commercial companies, so be it.
Thing is, the decision is probably not just linked to the direct revenue they make by selling their products to commercial companies, but also by just keeping some of said companies happy, so they'll keep donating large amounts of money.

All large fundations have "nasty" links to for-profit businesses.

That's the "insiders standing joke" i heard.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2023, 12:04:24 pm »
Thou Shalt Not Criticize the Raspberry Pi Foundation, the PR Division of Broadcom (with the Assistance of University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory), or gnuarm Will Be Very Unhappy.

:-DD

Don't forget the Welsh, for if it wasnt for thier efforts these things would be made in a China. Soon they will insist on renaming them MafonPi.
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2023, 10:11:27 pm »
Don't complain too much, the RPi could be mainly financed by MS and the RPi boards would come preinstalled with Windows and no right to distribute them with any other OS.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2023, 06:13:13 am »
Don't complain too much, the RPi could be mainly financed by MS and the RPi boards would come preinstalled with Windows and no right to distribute them with any other OS.

And with UEFI, TPM 2.0 and secure boot always enabled...
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2023, 09:09:31 pm »
Don't complain too much, the RPi could be mainly financed by MS and the RPi boards would come preinstalled with Windows and no right to distribute them with any other OS.

And with UEFI, TPM 2.0 and secure boot always enabled...

You guys are joking, but there are a lot of things locked down with the RPi being a broadcom based thing and all the issues with getting full datasheets and drivers for all the subsystems like video.
 
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2023, 06:21:43 am »
You guys are joking, but there are a lot of things locked down with the RPi being a broadcom based thing and all the issues with getting full datasheets and drivers for all the subsystems like video.

Yes and actual fucking DRM as used in the camera module for example, to slow people down from interfacing their own camera designs, or doing anything custom really. Raspberry Pi Foundation is pretty much a perfect example of anti-openness.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2023, 12:02:10 pm »
 
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2023, 11:00:25 pm »
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2023, 09:04:33 am »
Yeah, don't think I'd be stocking 10,000 of them with the PI5 around the corner, but I guess there are businesses that have the PI4 designed in and don't want to change (or can't because of the connector layout change).
That Farnell price excludes VAT so its really GBP53.23 in the UK.

Edit to say: Only 6 pounds more for the PI5.
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2023, 09:45:44 pm »
Yeah, don't think I'd be stocking 10,000 of them with the PI5 around the corner, but I guess there are businesses that have the PI4 designed in and don't want to change (or can't because of the connector layout change).
That Farnell price excludes VAT so its really GBP53.23 in the UK.

Edit to say: Only 6 pounds more for the PI5.

It's not just the layout, I imagine there will be software changes to use the new connector, also drivers might be out of date and need changes to them for the product to work.

That said, I've pre-ordered one to get started on that side of things.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2023, 11:31:41 pm »
They still sell Pi3B's. I expect Pi4's will be on the market for years to to come yet.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2023, 12:25:18 am »
They still sell Pi3B's. I expect Pi4's will be on the market for years to to come yet.

The CM4 datasheet has a production lifetime statement: https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-product-brief.pdf

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Production lifetime: Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 will remain in production until at least January 2028

I wonder if that is true for all 47200 variants :)  As long as they make one variant, they aren't technically wrong.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2024, 11:40:48 am »
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2024, 01:34:44 pm »
Finally, the scarcity has ended!

Yeah, I've been seeing them in stock for awhile now. I had been signed up for stock notifications for awhile now, and have been getting notification emails pretty regularly. I broke down a few weeks ago and ordered a Pi 5 from Pishop. Don't really have anything in mind for it yet, so it sits in the drawer with some other brand-new, unused SBCs and dev boards including Pi 4's and Zero W2's that I've been snatching here and there as they come available. Better to get them before you need them, than to need them and can't get them.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2024, 09:30:51 pm »
Better to get them before you need them, than to need them and can't get them.

Ah, that's why they are so scarce)
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2024, 10:17:55 pm »
Better to get them before you need them, than to need them and can't get them.

Ah, that's why they are so scarce)

LOL just call me scalper!  :-DD

Seriously though, in case anyone thinks different, I’m only buying one here and there to save for a rainy day. Not buying them to stock up and profit on them. Right now in the drawer I have new in box:

1x Pi4 2GB
1x Pi5 4GB
1x Pi Zero W 2
3x RP2040
1x Arduino Uno R4 WiFi
Bunch of Arduino Pro Minis and Nanos
2x Black Pills

So I don’t think I’ve removed too many from the market.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2024, 10:55:05 pm »
I want a Pi6 with 256GB of RAM.
 

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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2024, 11:19:29 pm »
I want a Pi6 with 256GB of RAM.

Those are still scarce I'm afraid...  :(
 
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2024, 02:20:02 am »
A Quantum Pi.
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Re: The beginning of the end?
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2024, 09:23:24 pm »
They still sell Pi3B's. I expect Pi4's will be on the market for years to to come yet.

The CM4 datasheet has a production lifetime statement: https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-product-brief.pdf

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Production lifetime: Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 will remain in production until at least January 2028

I wonder if that is true for all 47200 variants :)  As long as they make one variant, they aren't technically wrong.

I did hear recently that the CM5 (when it comes out) should be compatible with boards for the CM4. Obviously, pinch of salt and all that.
 


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