The Chinese Moon Landing

[rozeh]

I mean that robot(chinese robot) is a toy not our monkey. (I think it was a mistake)

Iran has a modest ambition: a man in orbit by 2020. India wants to send humans to the moon in the same year!

You can't compare the indian with us!! the indian is really weak for us!

Dear Iran,

Here in France, we have some useless politicians. We would gladly donate them to your space program, should you ever run out of test monkeys. Please help yourself. No need to return them after use.

Best regards, etc...

Huh?

Fixed that for you.

You are truly naive, Monkeh. Do you think we have couldn't make nuclear bomb? Do you think it's difficult to make a nuclear bomb? It's really simple for us!! but WE DO NOT NEED TO IT!

lol, iran.. they could launch a nuke into orbit if they wanted to.. the support structure needed to keep a monkey alive is about the same weight as a medium warhead...
and any idea that they haven't bought a number of nukes on the black market is nonsense.. if they want to start a nuclear war they can, but that would be suicide.

Please don't speak about war, nuclear bomb or... and also NO POLITIC!
Where are you from?

[smashedProton]

Iran has a modest ambition: a nuclear warhead in orbit by 2020.

Fixed that for you.

 

The USA has over 7,700 nuclear warheads
Russia has over 8,500
The United Kingdom has over 225
France has over 300
China has over 250
India has over 110
Pakistan has over 120
North Korea has over 10
Israel has over 200

Iran has 0

The US has already used 2 nuclear weapons. 
The US, UK, France start most wars, most overthrows, Iran none.

The US, UK, France steal resources, Iran has them.

Iranian nuclear warheads is a red herring, BIG OIL is after Iranian OIL (and their access to the sea for Caspian OIL)

Iran is way down the list as the next country who might use a nuclear weapon.

This is false, Iran definitely has nuclear warheads.  Do you want to know how I know?  Its because nobody has invaded them yet and they have oil.   

[smashedProton]

.... 
The US has already used 2 nuclear weapons.   

Those were mere firecrackers compared to today's WMDs.

If only we could put the genie back into the bottle, nuclear is mutual assured destruction (and it's a toss which will get us there first, nuclear arms or nuclear reactors for power)

Nuclear bombs brought peace to europe   I think that is a good thing.

[johansen]

yeah, like i said iran has nukes.

in fact, there were some western journalists if i recall who successfully found someone willing to sell them a nuke, and they made a documentary about it.

anyone who's heard stories about suitcase nukes... knows about how much they would weigh, and its about the same as a monkey and an oxygen tank + scrubber + everything elese

.... 
The US has already used 2 nuclear weapons.   

Those were mere firecrackers compared to today's WMDs.

this is really the scary part... 1 megaton in a city is 10 millions+ dead...
and its not the nuke that will do it, but rather the firestorm that follows a few hours afterward.

look up stories of Dresden.. for a 12 mile radius the wind speed was such that you could not escape.

[Kjelt]

Nuclear bombs brought peace to europe   I think that is a good thing. 

You should get your facts straight: it brought the japanese to surrender and bring peace to the east (pacific) region. Europe was already liberated.

[Kjelt]

The U.S. has already claimed it for ourselves, as we will the rest of the solar system.

Which has no meaning at all. The indians claimed the United States more then a thousand years ago..........

[Galenbo]

The Chinese are proving their copycat skills again: to boldly do what everyone has done before.

Nobody has ever copied like the chinese before.
So in that way, they are innovative :-)

[Kjelt]

The Chinese have a long history of inventing breakthrough technology, including gunpowder, compass, paper and printing.

Yes not to mention their kitchen, if something is alive they have a recipe for it!

[Wytnucls]

Nuclear bombs brought peace to europe   I think that is a good thing. 

You should get your facts straight: it brought the japanese to surrender and bring peace to the east (pacific) region. Europe was already liberated.

SmashedProton probably had the cold war period in mind, when the likelihood of mutual nuclear destruction reduced the threat of a Soviet conventional invasion.

[G7PSK]

Dose the Chinese rover, rove or hop around the moon, its called the Jade Rabbit. The launch and landing were plastered all over the BBC TV news.

[Bored@Work]

The Chinese are proving their copycat skills again: to boldly do what everyone has done before.

Nobody has ever copied like the chinese before.
So in that way, they are innovative :-)

 

This is the funniest post imaginable. The Chinese have a long history of inventing breakthrough technology, including gunpowder, compass, paper and printing.

Actually, the Chinese space program got a head-start because they got equipment and knowhow from their Russian comrades - when they were still comrades. And they helped themselves to more knowhow with espionage. For the current moon landing they had to enlist the help of ESA http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/ESA_teams_ready_for_Moon_landing for tracking.

As for Chinese breakthrough inventions like gunpowder, compass, paper and printing. Yep, and that's about it. Ok, I know of one more chinaware. But what else? It isn't as if there was historically a constant stream of innovations.

[chickenHeadKnob]

The real deal chinese full moon golden jade rabbit:http://www.sextoy2990.com/usr/product.aspx?id=236

For added pleasure checkout the companion rover "armour missile rabbit vibrator". That thang is scary!

[Kjelt]

As for Chinese breakthrough inventions like gunpowder, compass, paper and printing. Yep, and that's about it. Ok, I know of one more chinaware. But what else? It isn't as if there was historically a constant stream of innovations.

I think that is just a question of time, the japanese copied everything from the 1920's to early 1970's , pretty amazing what they manufacture and think of themselves now.
In China there are more cum laude university graduates each year then in the USA in probably 20 years. That said, the real brains in the USA are also mostly imported from India, China, Russia, you name it. Look at the differences in discipline and the school system.
Nope just a question of time and the wealth, knowledge, resources all shift to China just as history has shown so many times before when it shifted to the West.

[JohnnyGringo]

In China there are more cum laude university graduates each year then in the USA in probably 20 years. That said, the real brains in the USA are also mostly imported from India, China, Russia, you name it.

Why build when you can buy? 

[TerraHertz]

What we need is a few more rovers on the moon. Then we could have a race.

Think how much fun it would be for amateur groups to start a Moon Bot Wars combat show for TV.  The advertising would easily pay for several teams to build the necessary rocketry and landers.

[Kjelt]

Why build when you can buy?   

Soon your country can not buy anything anymore with that deficit 

[echen1024]

Dose the Chinese rover, rove or hop around the moon, its called the Jade Rabbit. The launch and landing were plastered all over the BBC TV news.

Anything that hops and looks remotely like a bunny would be cooked. I'm Chinese. Trust me.

[Wytnucls]

Why build when you can buy?   

Soon your country can not buy anything anymore with that deficit 

Dutch public deficit 4.1% in 2012.
The Netherlands' public deficit came in at 4.1 percent of GDP last year, the fourth year in a row the eurozone country breached the EU's 3.0 percent ceiling.
The public deficit, which also includes local government and health spending, declined from 4.5 percent of gross domestic product in 2011 and a high of 5.6 percent in 2009.
The Netherlands' public debt rose to 71.2 percent of GDP. The EU ceiling, widely breached, is 60 percent of GDP.
The US public debt stands at the same level of 71.43% of GDP, as of June 1013.

[Kjelt]

Dutch public deficit 4.1% in 2012.
The Netherlands' public deficit came in at 4.1 percent of GDP last year, the fourth year in a row the eurozone country breached the EU's 3.0 percent ceiling.
The public deficit, which also includes local government and health spending, declined from 4.5 percent of gross domestic product in 2011 and a high of 5.6 percent in 2009.
The Netherlands' public debt rose to 71.2 percent of GDP. The EU ceiling, widely breached, is 60 percent of GDP.
The US public debt stands at the same level of 71.43% of GDP, as of June 1013. 

Yeah not very good also 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/us-person-debt-now-35-percent-higher-greece_660409.html

[JohnnyGringo]

The US public debt stands at the same level of 71.43% of GDP, as of June 1013.

Yea... We be good at printing money. O0

[nctnico]

Why build when you can buy?   

Soon your country can not buy anything anymore with that deficit 

Dutch public deficit 4.1% in 2012.
The Netherlands' public deficit came in at 4.1 percent of GDP last year, the fourth year in a row the eurozone country breached the EU's 3.0 percent ceiling.
The public deficit, which also includes local government and health spending, declined from 4.5 percent of gross domestic product in 2011 and a high of 5.6 percent in 2009.
The Netherlands' public debt rose to 71.2 percent of GDP. The EU ceiling, widely breached, is 60 percent of GDP.
The US public debt stands at the same level of 71.43% of GDP, as of June 1013.

Not a problem. The debt per person is about half that of the US. A lot of the money the Dutch government borrowed is invested into the infrastructure (roads and railways). Instead of reducing spending, the government increased spending to keep jobs and have the infrastructure ready when the economy goes up. A lot of income is generated from transporting stuff to and from Germany and other countries in Europe through the biggest port found in 'the western' part of the world. Except for tomatoes (world's no1), flowers, meat, cheese and XTC there is not much being produced in the NL.

[staxquad]

Nuclear bombs brought peace to europe   I think that is a good thing. 

You should get your facts straight: it brought the japanese to surrender and bring peace to the east (pacific) region. Europe was already liberated.

That ain't right either, the Japanese were defeated already, it was just to get them to capitulate a few days earlier so that the Russians could not get in the mix and also to let the Russians know who could push who around (until Russia got their own).   

Stalin and Molotov strung out the negotiations with the Japanese, giving them false hope of a Soviet-mediated peace. At the same time, in their dealings with the United States and Britain, the Soviets insisted on strict adherence to the Cairo Declaration, re-affirmed at the Yalta Conference, that the Allies would not accept separate or conditional peace with Japan. The Japanese would have to surrender unconditionally to all the Allies. To prolong the war, the Soviets opposed any attempt to weaken this requirement.   This would give the Soviets time to complete the transfer of their troops from the Western Front to the Far East, and conquer Manchuria (Manchukuo), Inner Mongolia (Mengjiang), Korea, Sakhalin, the Kuriles, and possibly, Hokkaid?

The Japanese casualties at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just a byproduct of the US displaying their power. 

[EEVblog]

I hope that the Chinese release to the public *everything* that the rover sees (unlike the USA that chooses to hide certain things from the public)...

What do the USA hide?
Got proof of this?

[staxquad]

The Japanese casualties at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just a byproduct of the US displaying their power.

I think you have that backwards. The display of power was the by-product. The reason they used the bomb was because the Japanese refused to surrender and vowed to fight to the death. The casualties in the Pacific campaign battles were massive. The estimated casualties for an invasion of the Japanese homeland was in the millions.

The imperial army was responsible for far more deaths that the two bombs the US dropped. They have yet to apologies for all their atrocities by the way. We apologized for interning Japanese civilians though. This is much better treatment then our soldier’s received after the battle of HK. Those that weren’t beheaded were force marched to prison/slave labour camps, most died there.

I quite frankly think at the time it was a good move to drop them. The real by-product of the action would be a wake up call to the planet.

Yes, I could have worded it better, maybe that the Japanese were collateral damage to American ambitions.

The quote I provided regarding Russia spells it out, Japan was already defeated, the US dropped the atomic bombs to affect Russia, not Japan.

The estimated casualties was supplied by the same who bombed.  It's all justified when they can get what they want and invent excuses.  The same went for attacking Iraq because of 9-11, but Iraq was not involved, so pile on the excuses,  Saddam killed his own people, WMD (nowhere to be found), so the US is justified in murdering over 1 million Iraqis? Ulterior motives (oil capture) but you are led to believe some cock and bull story to hide the theft and murder of it all. Make you believe a noble justification when it's all ignoble.

[c4757p]

I hope that the Chinese release to the public *everything* that the rover sees (unlike the USA that chooses to hide certain things from the public)...

What do the USA hide?
Got proof of this?

Moon martians! Duh!