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Marco:
The market follows incentives, with short time horizon on ROI, it is what it is not because of physics but because of economics.

vad:

--- Quote from: Marco on July 15, 2023, 05:40:18 pm ---The market follows incentives, with short time horizon on ROI, it is what it is not because of physics but because of economics.

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Unelected bureaucracies, such as IPCC or WHO, are often motivated by corruption opportunities, seeking the shortest possible ROI.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: vad on July 15, 2023, 05:34:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja ---We are quickly approaching a situation where half of our energy need is already supplied by renewables directly.

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Oh, I apologize. You must be better informed than the IEA, who states, and I quote: ”Fossil fuels accounted for more than 81% of production in 2019, as in previous years.” Or perhaps you were referring to electricity generation specifically, rather than total energy production?

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Fuck you too, I am not playing this "put words in one's mouth" game. I even clarified what meant by "quickly" further down in my message. 2019 is not even 2023, and 2019 especially is not 2038-2043, which was the range mentioned in my post. While I happily discuss with people who disagree, l don't discuss with mentally dishonest people, so you are now ignored from now on. Enjoy your echo chamber.

vad:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on July 15, 2023, 05:53:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: vad on July 15, 2023, 05:34:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja ---We are quickly approaching a situation where half of our energy need is already supplied by renewables directly.

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Oh, I apologize. You must be better informed than the IEA, who states, and I quote: ”Fossil fuels accounted for more than 81% of production in 2019, as in previous years.” Or perhaps you were referring to electricity generation specifically, rather than total energy production?

--- End quote ---

Fuck you too, I am not playing this "put words in one's mouth" game. I even clarified what meant by "quickly" further down in my message. 2019 is not even 2023, and 2019 especially is not 2038-2043, which was the range mentioned in my post. While I happily discuss with people who disagree, l don't discuss with mentally dishonest people, so you are now ignored from now on. Enjoy your echo chamber.

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Adiós!

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on July 15, 2023, 02:55:30 pm ---Also we don't need such factor of 5 in reduction of energy consumption. We are quickly approaching a situation where half of our energy need is already supplied by renewables directly.

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That is an over-simplification. The next big problem to solve is storage since renewable sources are both erratic and seasonal where it comes to supply. And don't start with heat storage using water or batteris. It won't work for seasonal storage because the volume of water needed is too big, batteries will be too big & expensive and the leakage is too high. So for the next 10 to 20 years you are left with renewables being a addition to using fossil fuels up to a certain level but renewables will not a 100% replacement until seasonal storage is commercially viable.

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