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PlainName:

--- Quote ---And yet hydrogen fueling infrastructure is being rolled out further every year
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Perhaps that's a mistake.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: nctnico on July 11, 2023, 02:12:25 pm ---Another real world observation is that many car manufacturers have hydrogen cars ready for production in large numbers

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Just like they have been "ready for production" for the last 20 years.

Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: PlainName on July 11, 2023, 02:16:04 pm ---
--- Quote ---And yet hydrogen fueling infrastructure is being rolled out further every year
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Perhaps that's a mistake.

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It's really a Germany+NL thing only. Outside of these two countries, there are only a handful, and even the future plans show less than linear growth planned, with this rate it will take around 1000 years.

Maybe it can be called a mistake, but trying things out is something I can applaud, so I have nothing against it. Compare this to EV fast charging stations which had similar status somewhere in 2011, expected growth was more than linear and that growth was realized. And EVs back then sucked in range.

tom66:
In the UK, Toyota had to fight to keep the hydrogen infrastructure in the North open.  Here's the current hydrogen infrastructure map for the UK:



Meanwhile, this is CCS DC charging:



It's pretty clear to me which one is winning the battle.   Especially when you consider hydrogen *requires* dedicated infrastructure to survive, EVs can charge on anything from an extension lead hanging out of a window to a rapid charger to a van that visits your car to charge it (a little absurd but it shows the versatility).

On AC charging infrastructure,  there is a way to go,  but London is full of street charging, and other cities in the UK are catching up (they need to be quicker, but that's politics.)  So you have some streets which have multiple lamp post or streetside chargers.  A lot of this infrastructure comes with demand, you don't need public charging if you have a driveway but want it if you visit. So as the general concentration of EVs increases the infrastructure follows.  There are huge number of EVs in London now, must be close to 1 in 20 based on my occasional visits.



Karel:
Like how VHS defeated Betamax...

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