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| james_s:
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 08:22:11 pm ---All the facts point to EVs never becoming a mainstream mode of transport! Toyota isn't even planning on building EVs. Are you calling the people running one of the biggest and highest valued car manufacturers stupid? Toyota got it right when they introduced the hybrid (even though they where the laughing stock of the motoring world when they did) and chances are high they got it right again. --- End quote --- They already are, you're stating as a fact something will never happen which already happened some time ago. There are at least 5 on my street, I have several friends and family members who have them and have been driving them for several years, I see dozens of them on the roads every day. EVs are as mainstream as any sort of semi-niche vehicle. It has already happened, it's a done deal, it's old news. ICE cars are not going away in the foreseeable future and hybrids will likely be with us even longer but to argue that EVs will never be mainstream requires sticking your head in the sand and pretending that the millions of them on the roads today do not exist. It is perhaps an inconvenient fact that they do but they are out there, they are mainstream and they will keep getting more common until we are perhaps around 40% pure EV, 50% hybrid and 10% conventional ICE. Toyota is not dumb, they simply have developed a very good hybrid system that is doing very well for them, there is little they would gain by competing in the EV market right now, that is dominated by other players. It would be tremendously expensive for them to change direction now and as long as hybrids continue to sell well, why would they? |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: ogden on February 19, 2020, 06:59:42 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 10:10:45 am ---The prices I listed are the reality for the people not being able to charge from their own socket. --- End quote --- So you say that people who are not able to get their own socket next to car parking can afford Toyota Mirai for 78.600,00 € (.de price including VAT). --- End quote --- Just ignore it, there are people in many cities around the world who receive free/cheap parking on the road (a massive subsidy) and cannot imagine/believe this will ever change and the cost of parking is something they should consider. You can choose to include or exclude all sorts of externalities to justify a point. |
| kaz911:
--- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 08:22:11 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on February 19, 2020, 07:12:42 pm ---facts and data are useless. --- End quote --- All the facts point to EVs never becoming a mainstream mode of transport! Toyota isn't even planning on building EVs. Are you calling the people running one of the biggest and highest valued car manufacturers stupid? Toyota got it right when they introduced the hybrid (even though they where the laughing stock of the motoring world when they did) and chances are high they got it right again. --- End quote --- Lexus (owned by Toyota) is planning to deliver the EX300e full EV in the UK around April-July. I looked at a prototype last week. But I would have less space than my Honda Jazz in a car that takes up 20% more road. So that was a no-go. I am signed up for the new Honda Jazz Hybrid - but then the UK Government said "No hybrids" and then I dropped those plans as well. If the government is serious about that the resale value on hybrids will plummet. |
| boffin:
--- Quote from: james_s on February 19, 2020, 08:52:10 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on February 19, 2020, 08:22:11 pm ---All the facts point to EVs never becoming a mainstream mode of transport! Toyota isn't even planning on building EVs. Are you calling the people running one of the biggest and highest valued car manufacturers stupid? Toyota got it right when they introduced the hybrid (even though they where the laughing stock of the motoring world when they did) and chances are high they got it right again. --- End quote --- They already are, you're stating as a fact something will never happen which already happened some time ago. There are at least 5 on my street, I have several friends and family members who have them and have been driving them for several years, I see dozens of them on the roads every day. EVs are as mainstream as any sort of semi-niche vehicle. It has already happened, it's a done deal, it's old news. ICE cars are not going away in the foreseeable future and hybrids will likely be with us even longer but to argue that EVs will never be mainstream requires sticking your head in the sand and pretending that the millions of them on the roads today do not exist. It is perhaps an inconvenient fact that they do but they are out there, they are mainstream and they will keep getting more common until we are perhaps around 40% pure EV, 50% hybrid and 10% conventional ICE. Toyota is not dumb, they simply have developed a very good hybrid system that is doing very well for them, there is little they would gain by competing in the EV market right now, that is dominated by other players. It would be tremendously expensive for them to change direction now and as long as hybrids continue to sell well, why would they? --- End quote --- I think BEVs represent something in excess of 10% of new car sales here, certainly not niche. As for redonkulous claim: "Toyota isn't even planning on building EVs.", Toyota Details Six New EV Models Launching for 2020–2025 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27887943/toyota-ev-rollout-plans/ try and remember you you're arguing with, a poster who in another thread tried to argue that the forces of drag act differently on an EV increasing it's energy consumption rate at a greater rate than it would on a gasoline powered car. He's not stating fact, he's stating what he would like to be true. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: kaz911 on February 19, 2020, 09:14:30 pm ---I am signed up for the new Honda Jazz Hybrid - but then the UK Government said "No hybrids" and then I dropped those plans as well. If the government is serious about that the resale value on hybrids will plummet. --- End quote --- What do you mean by "No hybrids". All I have heard is they will ban the sale of new hybrids in 2035, by which time one bought today will be worthless anyway. I think the new Honda Jazz Hybrid looks interesting as wifey's next car, but it looks like they are setting the price way above the existing model. |
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