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free_electron:

--- Quote from: Benta on July 12, 2022, 05:43:36 pm ---Idiotic spin.
PCB design today is 5% of design effort and has very little to do with engineering. It's more in the Draftsman trade.

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You've probably never seen a real pcb.
Try a modern motherboard. or a high power inverter with embedded transformers. Maybe something with all kinds of controlled impedance, signal integrity, looptime compensation , 8 layers, embeddded heat medallions, embedded wires , stacked / dogboned laservias / vippo / elic ? something that has 0.5mm BGA's and 1000 ampere running through it and 800 volts busbars. Then you will understand how much engineering goes in the board. Without that engineering your nice schematic is SNOT. if the layout is not done properly , at switch-on time you'll end up with a smoldering crater where once was your lab bench.
The time where draftsmen made single layer hand taped stuff for through hole parts is over.

SiliconWizard:
Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with the fact PCBs are very little effort in a given project. It all depends on the project. Some can be very tricky, but they are probably a niche, overall.
Doesn't mean that all this AI frenzy crap is going to help anything and that those startups are not just scams.
And well yeah, this thread's title is at best misleading. ;D

ConKbot:
I'll stop rolling my eyes into the back of my head when someone makes an autorouter that doesn't take longer to setup to produce good results than is does to just route a board manually.  Currently I can take a fully routed chip, drag it 3mm to the side, and when Altium tries to autoroute to re-complete what I moved, a lot of times it manages to confuse itself and block itself off from completing.   ::)

Walk before you run.

bd139:
How AI works

1. Someone finds a niche where no one has solved any problems with it.
2. Rinse investors for money
3. Create hype
4. Deliver something which does about as good as a job as a one armed brain damaged monkey.
5. Claim next generation AI will solve all the problems.
6. Go to (2)

Celus is at stage 3 iteration 1.

Currently dealing with an ML system which "learns" infrastructure trends and then tells you when something unpredictable is about to or is happening. 50% of the time it goes off when there aren't any problems. The other 50% of the time it doesn't go off when there are problems. If that can't reason about simple trends then I doubt it can reason about PCB design which is far far far far more complicated :-//

free_electron:
now the iot buzz has flunked they found a new cow to milk : AI.

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