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The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: unknownparticle on November 02, 2022, 12:59:56 pm ---https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/eu-efficiency-standards-would-ban-8k-4k-tvs/#:~:text=As%20of%20the%20time%20of%20this%20article%E2%80%99s%20publication%2C,TV%20that%20can%20be%20sold%20in%20the%20EU.
And some people still wonder why the UK wanted out of the EU!!!
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As usual in this forum, the OP got carried away with the title. OP: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Um nope, the EU isn't BANNING TVs, they're just trying to force them to become more energy efficient.
I remember a time in the late 1970s in the US when all of the US auto makers told the USG that it was impossible to meet the USG's proposed auto emissions standards and that no one had the technology necessary to do so. The USG replied "Fine but when one of you does come up with the technology, the rest of you will be required to lease it from them and pay royalties." Within a few years ALL of the US auto makers had developed their own technology and were using it! None of them ever had to lease it from a different company.
I think this will be the same situation. When the TV companies accept that they are going to have to meet the TV power requirements, they WILL find a way to do so!
Frankly, IMO, everyone would be better off if they couldn't buy TVs and spend countless hours watching the idioracy that passes for modern TV news and programming.
Q: I wonder how much power this will save in Europe? Based on the amount of time that most people in my country spend in front of the TV and the number of homes in this country and the number of TVs in each one, my guess is A LOT!
My personal pet peeve is all of the wall warts in a modern household and how much power each of them burns off, frequently even with nothing plugged into it!
unknownparticle:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 03:30:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on November 02, 2022, 03:28:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 03:14:45 pm ---Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.
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And when they come for you? When some moron limits your tea kettle to 500 watts?
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I think that unlikely.
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Really! Maybe not that specific thing, and it's a kettle by the way, not a tea kettle! Tea pot and kettle, two things ;)
This is the problem with the EU, it's the nanny state gone mad! No, in the grand scheme a restriction on 8K TV's is not the end of the world, but gradually losing more and more freedom of choice is. As per the old phrase, it's the thin end of the wedge. And the excuse used is the climate change crisis, which is BS. The climate is in continual change, nothing humanity can do about it. CO2 is the gas of life, converted by greenery to oxygen! And remember this, every living, oxygen breathing life form exhales CO2, so what next, a breathing restriction?!
Monkeh:
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.
unknownparticle:
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on November 02, 2022, 03:42:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: unknownparticle on November 02, 2022, 12:59:56 pm ---https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/eu-efficiency-standards-would-ban-8k-4k-tvs/#:~:text=As%20of%20the%20time%20of%20this%20article%E2%80%99s%20publication%2C,TV%20that%20can%20be%20sold%20in%20the%20EU.
And some people still wonder why the UK wanted out of the EU!!!
--- End quote ---
I remember a time in the late 1970s in the US when all of the US auto makers told the USG that it was impossible to meet the USG's proposed auto emissions standards and that no one had the technology necessary to do so. The USG replied "Fine but when one of you does come up with the technology, the rest of you will be required to lease it from them and pay royalties." Within a few years ALL of the US auto makers had developed their own technology and were using it! None of them ever had to lease it from a different company.
I think this will be the same situation. When the TV companies accept that they are going to have to meet the TV power requirements, they WILL find a way to do so!
Frankly, IMO, everyone would be better off if they couldn't buy TVs and spend countless hours watching the idioracy that passes for modern TV news and programming.
Q: I wonder how much power this will save in Europe? Based on the amount of time that most people in my country spend in front of the TV and the number of homes in this country and the number of TVs in each one, my guess is A LOT!
My personal pet peeve is all of the wall warts in a modern household and how much power each of them burns off, frequently even with nothing plugged into it!
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Modern flat screen TV's don't use that much power though. My 42", 5 year old Samsung 4K uses 35 watts, MAX!! As I tinker with old CRT TV's
I have a good reference point, monochrome sets from the 50's through early 70's used as much as 200 watts, and colour upto 350 watts!!
It used to be the case that the largest average power consuming domestic device was lighting, so say an average 3 bed UK house had 6 to 10 incandescent lamps burning for hours during darkness, could be anywhere from say 360 to 1000 watts, which is why the UK government adopted a policy of banning sales of incandescent light bulbs about 20 years ago and actually supplying free CFL's for a while, before the market went LED. This actually saved the construction of many extra power stations.
Next is refrigerators, and where you Americans are the worst offenders! With your almost walk in, 2 door, ice on tap, 8 ft tall behemoths, consuming upto 500 watts, there is your elephant in the room! Even here in the poor impoverished UK though, it's still about 200 - 300 watts.
Next is washing machines and dishwashers. So TV's are really quite low power users.
Oh yeah, I very rarely watch broadcast TV, mainly youtube and some movies on Amazon Prime.
Stray Electron:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 03:48:12 pm ---The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.
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Quoted for truth!
The buying public MIGHT be willing to make better buying choices except that the manufacturers and resellers of most products frequently and deliberately hide the facts from them. In particular any specification that reflects poorly on that product.
How many of you have NEVER bought some product only to find that no repair information was available, or that OEM parts were excessively expensive or that the quality was poor or the item wore out too quickly or that it didn't do the job that you expected it to; and then said to yourself "if I had known that I would have never bought this item" ?
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