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The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!

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coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 04, 2022, 05:22:23 pm ---Diesel cars were always promoted as 'less bad', despite what VW wanted you to think.

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In engineering there are no solutions, despite what the marketing people say. There are only compromises. Too many people with power are utopian, and fail to understand that. So, we get an endless stream of destructive decisions. Electric cars are only "less bad", not perfect. On a really good day windmills and solar panels are "less bad" , and a very very long way from perfect.

james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 04, 2022, 09:18:25 am ---Politicians can promote anything they like, that's politics.  But the EU is a technocratic organisation.  Things are debated amongst industry professionals for years before even a draft piece of legislation would be written.  No doubt the 500W kettle limit will never happen.  If anything, the EU might mandate a 3kW kettle as standard, because it will likely be more efficient than a 2kW model.

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Is that how we ended up with those idiotic cookie notifications that pop up constantly all over the internet? I know it was well intended, but the way it panned out was a complete fail.

james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 04, 2022, 06:00:08 pm ---COP isn't a cash cow.  Countries are desperate to get out of their commitments because going net zero will be almost impossible without massive economic costs, but no one seems brave enough to admit this yet.  We're probably a bit fucked when it comes to climate change, and we need to be rapidly thinking about how to mitigate the worst outcomes rather than pretending 1.5C is achievable now.

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That's something I've thought about for a while. Even the most optimistic moon shot climate action proposed predicts results that are still pretty dire as I recall. If we were going to prevent human caused climate change, the window of opportunity for that was decades if not a century ago. As of now we have already passed the point of no return so we may be better off finding ways to mitigate the effects rather than trying to prevent it.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 04, 2022, 09:18:25 am ---Politicians can promote anything they like, that's politics.  But the EU is a technocratic organisation.  Things are debated amongst industry professionals for years before even a draft piece of legislation would be written.

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You make that sound like a good thing. However little power it gives us, we can vote out a politician. The technocrats can only removed through serious violence.

james_s:

--- Quote from: AndyBeez on November 04, 2022, 05:09:46 pm ---
--- Quote from: free_electron on November 04, 2022, 03:21:39 pm ---everyone switch to CFLs. 5 years later : ban cfls, they contain mercury.
try getting rid of them now. you can;t throw them in the trash , nor in the recycle bin. you have to give them with the dangerous goods.

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Same here in sunny (?) England.

A decade ago, our energy suppliers were giving these away for free to help save the planet from the evil that is, tungsten filaments. Even the European Union was in on the act, fronting these bulbs as eco-friendly. We all had them as they were not just energy saving, but planet saving too - and free.

However, the free CFL bulbs were made in china shite that barely lasted twice as long as a filament bulb. Ever had any 'eco bulb' last the 100,000 hours claimed on the carton? Some, not even last 1,000 hours. My Philips bulbs faired better but, for the price of one, I could have bought a crate of tungsten bulbs. But being free, they were a throw away item!

Then we (the people) discovered CFL bulbs were SO dangerous to the environment, our local town council provided special sealable bags to dispose of them in. Just one broken bulb was enough to close down our public library; their hazmat bulbs were replaced with florescent strip lights :palm:

A traditional lightbulb contains mostly glass, tungsten, tin and a bit of leaded solder. A CFL contains almost as much e-waste as LED lightbulbs. And that's A LOT of good parts down in the dumpster.

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Burning coal to power an incandescent lamp releases more mercury into the environment than throwing away a CFL. Maybe it's different there but here they are easily disposed of, there are bins at most hardware stores, although most people just throw them in the trash. Closing the library and sending in a hazmat team is absurd overkill for the tiny amount of mercury that is present, in most bulbs it's not even liquid mercury, it's an amalgam similar to what used to be used in dental fillings.

I never saw one that was claimed to last 100,000 hours. The best ones were typically rated for 8,000, cheaper ones 6,000. I had some early failures but I also had many that lasted longer than the rated life, largely that came down to how rarely they were started. Lights that came on once in the evening and shut off later lasted much longer than those that were switched off and on often.

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