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| Miyuki:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 08, 2022, 04:54:39 am ---According to FlatpanelsHD, the maximum power for the default picture mode for LCD, OLED, and microLED 4K and 8K TVs will be as follows from March 2023 onwards: Size Max. power for 4K/8K TVs default picture mode 40" 48 W 42" 53 W 48" 66 W 55" 84 W 65" 112 W 75" 141 W 77" 148 W 83" 164 W 85" 169 W 88" 178 W It does not limit ownership, but does limit the sales. Also, the TV can still have higher-power modes, as long as selecting them informs the user about the increased power use. Hmm. I still don't have an opinion on this, because I do not intend to own a 8K TV (or display), and thus it does not impact me personally. --- End quote --- Does this mean that it is a hard limit per screen size and the only problem is that 8k cant fit in whereas FHD has no problem? Then it is all fine and manufacturers must try harder Even when those numbers seem low when I compare them to my screen what has stated Maximum: 120 W Typical: < 75 W And I use 3 of them 8) |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---Because the EU mandated that speaker systems, have to forcibly automatically go into standby/sleep mode to save power. --- End quote --- I looked at this, which I think is the appropriate regulation, and it seems to me that the speakers should provide a power management function and/or be exempt. Additionally, if it's waiting for sound data in order to 'start up' then it's not in stand-by so isn't required to (effectively) turn off. Are the speakers battery powered? Could be the manufacturer just wants to extend the battery life to make the adverts look better than the competition. |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: PlainName on November 08, 2022, 04:06:31 pm --- --- Quote ---Because the EU mandated that speaker systems, have to forcibly automatically go into standby/sleep mode to save power. --- End quote --- I looked at this, which I think is the appropriate regulation, and it seems to me that the speakers should provide a power management function and/or be exempt. Additionally, if it's waiting for sound data in order to 'start up' then it's not in stand-by so isn't required to (effectively) turn off. Are the speakers battery powered? Could be the manufacturer just wants to extend the battery life to make the adverts look better than the competition. --- End quote --- Thanks for that link. No, they are mains powered. There are apparently lots of threads about it. The following link, is for rather similar/identical speakers, to the ones, I'm using in the short-term. https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?297558-Any-ideas-how-to-prevent-my-speakers-from-entering-a-sleep-state --- Quote ---Right now I have a pair of Creative Gigaworks T20 Series II speakers, and they seem great, except for one annoyance: after 10 minutes of inactivity they enter a sleep state, meaning I miss a lot of important chat alerts and such. --- End quote --- --- Quote ---Thanks for your input Dobbi! I believe though that this is a hardware limitation — it's my case, actually. Due to European regulations, speakers have to have a built-in sleep state they enter when inactive. It has two great problem in my case: 1. When the volume is too low, for instance when I don't want to disturb my roommates, the speakers do not pick-up on the sound, and go sleeping after 10 min. I then have to put the volume back up and down. 2. When waking up, the speakers pop, preventing me from using music as an alarm — as the pop sound is loud. I've not searched much into the problem yet, but I do expect a solution along the lines of sending every now and then a loud "fake" sound. Sound volume would then have to be on a per-application basis, so that MPD would play softly, but the fake, inaudible sound would play loudly. Cheers! --- End quote --- N.B. Other electronics item(s), have also been giving me similar problems. To the point that entire sets of things, are malfunctioning, because of these constant interrupts. I haven't fully got to the bottom of it, to 100% confirm that is the cause/issue, but I suspect it is. A good chance to throw in an example of so called 'Smart' rather than 'Lazy' laws. Afflicted devices, should also be allowed to have (permanent) defeat options. So that the mode can be disabled, to allow complicated setups to work reliably. SMART laws, would be designed to allow this. Non-smart/lazy laws, DON'T. Hence issues like speakers that switch off, and hinder computer audio/sound usages, other significant equipment, brought to its knees, because of this issue (different devices). 8k TVs that may become illegal to purchase in the EU. Etc. In fairness, reducing stand-by power consumption, as long as reliability, usage, features, long-term life expectancy etc, of the unit are NOT too adversely effected. Saving power is good. But when it makes all sorts of items, potentially illegal to buy (actually sell is the illegal bit), in the EU. It makes some people wonder, if the EU is doing the right thing, and coming up with sensible, WELL WRITTEN laws and regulations. |
| PlainName:
That workaround is something I thought of when I first read your post - great minds! But that's a product design failure, I think, and it shouldn't be required. I'd be inclined to return them as not suitable for the purpose (and, in fact, I returned a Samsung monitor for a similar issue). |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: PlainName on November 08, 2022, 04:54:15 pm ---That workaround is something I thought of when I first read your post - great minds! But that's a product design failure, I think, and it shouldn't be required. I'd be inclined to return them as not suitable for the purpose (and, in fact, I returned a Samsung monitor for a similar issue). --- End quote --- Some good points, thanks. :) It arguably is a design failure, just like you, and possibly the link I posted before says. For other reasons, and because at low sound levels (when you want piece and quiet etc), it can be very reluctant to even wake up at all. My feeling is it is perfectly reasonable for there to be TV buffs (people who are REALLY into their TVs, and want to get really good ones, even if it costs quite a lot of money). So, they should be free to go to and buy 8k TVs, if they want. I.e. NOT prevented from doing so, from possible new EU rules, which have not been written well enough, to cater for practicable 8k TVs power consumption. |
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