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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2022, 01:20:52 pm »
great news,means us in the uk can start flogging "inefficient" tellys to the europeans at a nice little mark up
 

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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2022, 01:45:13 pm »
If they banned 'inefficient' TVs here, I'd just have to keep my old 700W+ plasma TV for a while.  That's OK, it keeps the living room warm in the winter.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2022, 01:56:37 pm »
To qualify: The EU bans televisions that consume too much energy above a threshold that 8k still crosses...  :-DD
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 02:06:32 pm »
Well, in UK you certainly need all comfort you can get, poor sods.  :-//
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2022, 03:14:45 pm »
Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.

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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2022, 03:19:58 pm »
8K? What for?

Well, maybe it will end up making sense to watch nature documentaries on TV with binoculars!  :popcorn:
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2022, 03:28:44 pm »
Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.

And when they come for you?  When some moron limits your tea kettle to 500 watts?
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2022, 03:30:48 pm »
Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.

And when they come for you?  When some moron limits your tea kettle to 500 watts?

I think that unlikely.
 

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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2022, 03:38:57 pm »
To qualify: The EU bans televisions that consume too much energy above a threshold that 8k still crosses...  :-DD

It's a good idea, since the TVs do consume a lot of energy and the governments pay the energy bill.

Oh wait.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2022, 03:42:11 pm »

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/eu-efficiency-standards-would-ban-8k-4k-tvs/#:~:text=As%20of%20the%20time%20of%20this%20article%E2%80%99s%20publication%2C,TV%20that%20can%20be%20sold%20in%20the%20EU.

And some people still wonder why the UK wanted out of the EU!!!

  As usual in this forum, the OP got carried away with the title.  OP: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!   

    Um nope, the EU isn't BANNING TVs, they're just trying to force them to become more energy efficient. 

   I remember a time in the late 1970s in the US when all of the US auto makers told the USG that it was impossible to meet the USG's proposed auto emissions standards and that no one had the technology necessary to do so. The USG replied "Fine but when one of you does come up with the technology, the rest of you will be required to lease it from them and pay royalties."  Within a few years ALL of the US auto makers had developed their own technology and were using it!  None of them ever had to lease it from a different company.

   I think this will be the same situation. When the TV companies accept that they are going to have to meet the TV  power requirements, they WILL find a way to do so!

    Frankly, IMO, everyone would be better off if they couldn't buy TVs and spend countless hours watching the idioracy that passes for modern TV news and programming.

    Q:  I wonder how much power this will save in Europe?  Based on the amount of time that most people in my country spend in front of the TV and the number of homes in this country and the number of TVs in each one, my guess is A LOT!

    My personal pet peeve is all of the wall warts in a modern household and how much power each of them burns off, frequently even with nothing plugged into it!
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2022, 03:42:25 pm »
Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.

And when they come for you?  When some moron limits your tea kettle to 500 watts?

I think that unlikely.

Really!  Maybe not that specific thing, and it's a kettle by the way, not a tea kettle!  Tea pot and kettle, two things ;)
This is the problem with the EU, it's the nanny state gone mad!  No, in the grand scheme a restriction on 8K TV's is not the end of the world, but gradually losing more and more freedom of choice is. As per the old phrase, it's the thin end of the wedge. And the excuse used is the climate change crisis, which is BS.  The climate is in continual change, nothing humanity can do about it.  CO2 is the gas of life, converted by greenery to oxygen!  And remember this, every living, oxygen breathing life form exhales CO2, so what next, a breathing restriction?!
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2022, 03:48:12 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2022, 03:57:31 pm »
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/eu-efficiency-standards-would-ban-8k-4k-tvs/#:~:text=As%20of%20the%20time%20of%20this%20article%E2%80%99s%20publication%2C,TV%20that%20can%20be%20sold%20in%20the%20EU.

And some people still wonder why the UK wanted out of the EU!!!


   I remember a time in the late 1970s in the US when all of the US auto makers told the USG that it was impossible to meet the USG's proposed auto emissions standards and that no one had the technology necessary to do so. The USG replied "Fine but when one of you does come up with the technology, the rest of you will be required to lease it from them and pay royalties."  Within a few years ALL of the US auto makers had developed their own technology and were using it!  None of them ever had to lease it from a different company.

   I think this will be the same situation. When the TV companies accept that they are going to have to meet the TV  power requirements, they WILL find a way to do so!

    Frankly, IMO, everyone would be better off if they couldn't buy TVs and spend countless hours watching the idioracy that passes for modern TV news and programming.

    Q:  I wonder how much power this will save in Europe?  Based on the amount of time that most people in my country spend in front of the TV and the number of homes in this country and the number of TVs in each one, my guess is A LOT!

    My personal pet peeve is all of the wall warts in a modern household and how much power each of them burns off, frequently even with nothing plugged into it!

Modern flat screen TV's don't use that much power though.  My 42", 5 year old Samsung 4K uses 35 watts, MAX!!  As I tinker with old CRT TV's
I have a good reference point, monochrome sets from the 50's through early 70's used as much as 200 watts, and colour upto 350 watts!!
It used to be the case that the largest average power consuming domestic device was lighting, so say an average 3 bed UK house had 6 to 10 incandescent lamps burning for hours during darkness, could be anywhere from say 360 to 1000 watts, which is why the UK government adopted a policy of banning sales of incandescent light bulbs about 20 years ago and actually supplying free CFL's for a while, before the market  went LED.  This actually saved the construction of many extra power stations.
Next is refrigerators, and where you Americans are the worst offenders!  With your almost walk in, 2 door, ice on tap, 8 ft tall behemoths, consuming upto 500 watts, there is your elephant in the room!  Even here in the poor impoverished UK though, it's still about 200 - 300 watts.
Next is washing machines and dishwashers. So TV's are really quite low power users.
Oh yeah, I very rarely watch broadcast TV, mainly youtube and some movies on Amazon Prime.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2022, 03:57:55 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.


   Quoted for truth!

   The buying public MIGHT be willing to make better buying choices except that the manufacturers and resellers of most products frequently and deliberately hide the facts from them. In particular any specification that reflects poorly on that product. 

    How many of you have NEVER bought some product only to find that no repair information was available, or that OEM parts were excessively expensive or that the quality was poor or the item wore out too quickly or that it didn't do the job that you expected it to; and then said to yourself "if I had known that I would have never bought this item" ?
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2022, 04:00:16 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.

Very philosophical and not entirely true!  Freedom of choice is the right to make personal choice, even if it is wrong. Abiding by common law excluded of course.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2022, 04:03:01 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.


   Quoted for truth!

   The buying public MIGHT be willing to make better buying choices except that the manufacturers and resellers of most products frequently and deliberately hide the facts from them. In particular any specification that reflects poorly on that product. 

    How many of you have NEVER bought some product only to find that no repair information was available, or that OEM parts were excessively expensive or that the quality was poor or the item wore out too quickly or that it didn't do the job that you expected it to; and then said to yourself "if I had known that I would have never bought this item" ?

Hence the old adage, buyer beware!!  We have the Americans to blame for this, they invented sales and marketing and built in obsolescence ;)
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2022, 04:12:14 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.

Very philosophical and not entirely true!  Freedom of choice is the right to make personal choice, even if it is wrong.
So basically you want to do things that are utterly stupid, may cause injuries to yourself and others without people keeping you from doing such stupid things? There is a difference between freedom of choice and freedom to harm yourself. But some people don't see that until it is too late.

IMHO it is a good thing that governments enforce products to be safe and energy efficient. A product that is dangerous and / or inefficient causes more harm and monetary loss in the long run.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2022, 04:16:38 pm »
That's a clickbait, because if I got it wright the ban is on energy consumption level, not on TV resolution.  :--

Same as one can not have a Multiplex Cinema Theater at home, like the one at the nearby mall 3D cinema theater, because the 3D projector will surge more current than allocated to a household consumer.
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2022, 04:35:44 pm »
My eyes used to be 4K but now heading towards SVGA.
 
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2022, 04:36:17 pm »
The 'freedom of choice' (being told what to do by advertisements.) of the general public has consequences the general public are incapable of appreciating.

Very philosophical and not entirely true!  Freedom of choice is the right to make personal choice, even if it is wrong.
So basically you want to do things that are utterly stupid, may cause injuries to yourself and others without people keeping you from doing such stupid things? There is a difference between freedom of choice and freedom to harm yourself. But some people don't see that until it is too late.

IMHO it is a good thing that governments enforce products to be safe and energy efficient. A product that is dangerous and / or inefficient causes more harm and monetary loss in the long run.

Well, there will always be very stupid people!!  Like those that buy Apple products for example ::) ;)
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When governments, or worse, proxy governments like the EU, start to do your thinking for you, you never learn, you obey and lose the ability to learn and think for yourself, you become a consumer zomby, that is bad, very bad.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2022, 04:39:18 pm »
I don't "get" 8K, but it was my understanding the loophole that many TV manufacturers were using was to have the default profile be a bit crap and allow the user to increase the brightness in the custom profile. 

Or has that been banned now?
 

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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2022, 04:40:45 pm »
That's a clickbait, because if I got it wright the ban is on energy consumption level, not on TV resolution.  :--


But effectively it kills the availability of 8K TV's, maybe until manufacturers can reduce power consumption, if possible.  What is definite, if they do they will be even more expensive.  An alternative might be to build into the software a warning that flashes up on the screen when the user has been watching for a preset number of hours, then they have a choice to turn off, or not.

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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2022, 04:46:50 pm »
I don't "get" 8K, but it was my understanding the loophole that many TV manufacturers were using was to have the default profile be a bit crap and allow the user to increase the brightness in the custom profile. 

Or has that been banned now?

Dunno, but I can say that generally, TV's are set at max brightness out of the box, this is guaranteed to drastically reduce the life of the LED back light, which is why most sets just manage to survive the warranty period before the LED backlight strips fail and the user bins it for another because servicing it exceeds the value of the set.  All intentional by the manufacturer of course ;)  So, first thing to do with a new set is go to settings and reduce the brightness.
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Re: The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2022, 04:48:55 pm »
Btw, voter sheeple should be punished to watch the propaganda machine (TV) on a 2x16 character display!
 


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