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The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
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bdunham7:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 10:42:53 pm ---This has nothing to do with personal choice, frankly. You want an 8K TV which uses 500W to do nothing all day? Go ahead and make one.

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So you'd ban the finished product but support selling them as kits?
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on November 03, 2022, 02:50:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 10:42:53 pm ---This has nothing to do with personal choice, frankly. You want an 8K TV which uses 500W to do nothing all day? Go ahead and make one.

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So you'd ban the finished product but support selling them as kits?

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I won't get too much into this "debate" which is yet another great example of mommy EU banning stuff left and right for your own good.

But just to reply to your remark: of course this is all about the numbers, so mass production is what is targeted. A negligible number of assembled kits wouldn't change a single thing. (Even this whole ban would not, but that's another question.) This does make some sense. "Kits" would be extremely expensive so they'll be extremely limited in number.

Heck "kit" is a big word. All you need is a 8K monitor. The rest in a TV set is just garbage that you can replace with relatively inexpensive devices that'll do much better without any telemetry. But expect very high prices for a 8K monitor. Even just the 8K panels (if you think about kits) are going to be absolutely out of reach for people with a budget for a TV set. Again just a matter of market and numbers.
james_s:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 03, 2022, 02:40:38 am ---No, more like not hiding sugars under the general carbohydrates term.  (Sugars are carbohydrates, but their intake should be monitored separately from other carbohydrates.  Refined sugar is basically poison.  Hell, you can even use it as a disinfectant on open wounds!)

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Honey is antibacterial, it contains a lot of sugar, that doesn't make it poison though. Really "poison" is almost entirely about dose. Salt, water and even oxygen are toxic in large enough quantities, yet we can't survive without them. Sugar, even refined sugar is fuel, you just don't want too much of it. Historically it was rare enough in nature to not be an issue, now of course it is plentiful.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 03, 2022, 03:36:42 am ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on November 03, 2022, 02:40:38 am ---No, more like not hiding sugars under the general carbohydrates term.  (Sugars are carbohydrates, but their intake should be monitored separately from other carbohydrates.  Refined sugar is basically poison.  Hell, you can even use it as a disinfectant on open wounds!)

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Honey is antibacterial, it contains a lot of sugar, that doesn't make it poison though. Really "poison" is almost entirely about dose. Salt, water and even oxygen are toxic in large enough quantities, yet we can't survive without them. Sugar, even refined sugar is fuel, you just don't want too much of it. Historically it was rare enough in nature to not be an issue, now of course it is plentiful.

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Yes it's all about the dose. No, sugar is not "poison", but it can become so in large doses, and that's a definite issue with modern processed food. There's just too much of it. It is metabolized very fast and triggers high insulin peaks which will make you store all that as fat quickly (and, over time, gets you insulin-resistant which is even worse), unless you can burn it instantly. Which doesn't happen unless you consume it while doing sports.
NiHaoMike:
I think that by the time 8K becomes mainstream, the technology would have improved enough to meet the efficiency standards.

--- Quote from: hans on November 02, 2022, 05:20:16 pm ---Likewise, if we were to rephrase this headline to CPUs and GPUs, would be as much beraged? I think that was the generally received sentiment of last gen CPU/GPU hardware so far, and of Intel's last few generations in the past as well. In my opinion it's also a tech market that's gone crazy. Sure fierce competition is good for pricing, but other "side effects" may suffer in the end. It's not an honest way of making progress.

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Hasn't performance per watt improved with pretty much every generation, albeit by far less than it did in the past?

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 02, 2022, 10:25:29 pm ---But we don't even have the transmission bandwidth on Freeview for anything more than 1080i60, and as you've pointed out, the average broadband connection is going to choke on 4K for some time (I'm feeling mighty fortunate with our 500Mbit/s BT FTTP, but I'm clearly the outlier!)

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Download it overnight to watch when you want, just like what was done in the good old days.

--- Quote from: SL4P on November 02, 2022, 10:26:28 pm ---I suspect that most viewers couldn’t tell the difference from ‘good’ 625/50 and the new high-def formats with well lit content in a well prepared viewing environment.

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On a 50" class screen, the difference between 1080p and 4K is very obvious, the difference between DVD quality and 1080p is even more obvious.
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