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The EU is banning 8K TV's!!!
unknownparticle:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on November 03, 2022, 02:50:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 03:14:45 pm ---Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.
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Yes, it is pretty much like Audiophiles!
Why produce resolution that the eye can't use?
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Because it's all about the emotion and psycho-acoustics, apparently ::)
rstofer:
--- Quote from: unknownparticle on November 02, 2022, 03:57:31 pm ---Next is refrigerators, and where you Americans are the worst offenders! With your almost walk in, 2 door, ice on tap, 8 ft tall behemoths, consuming up to 500 watts, there is your elephant in the room! Even here in the poor impoverished UK though, it's still about 200 - 300 watts.
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And it's still too small. Today the best strategy is to buy and freeze all you can because the price will be higher next week. Freezers (only) went out of stock the second day of the pandemic and I don't think there is much inventory now, years later.
Air conditioning is the largest load around here especially when it got to 115° F (46° C) a couple of months back. Pretty warm! Summer months are routinely 90°F+ (32°C+). You know it is hot when the AC is still running at 3 in the morning.
coppice:
--- Quote from: unknownparticle on November 02, 2022, 03:57:31 pm ---Next is refrigerators, and where you Americans are the worst offenders! With your almost walk in, 2 door, ice on tap, 8 ft tall behemoths, consuming upto 500 watts, there is your elephant in the room! Even here in the poor impoverished UK though, it's still about 200 - 300 watts.
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On the subject of refrigeration, I was looking at chest freezers this week. These are far more efficient than vertical freezers. However with the current wacky efficiency ratings they all get an F rating for efficiency, while the vertical freezers do better.
Bicurico:
I use 3 monitors on my PC. I have been wondering if I should swap them for a 48" 4K TV. This would give me the same size as 4x 24" FullHD monitors, but without the annoying frames.
The cons are however that separate screens allow individual programs to run in full screen mode. Also, there is the issue of the refresh rate using 1x 4K on one HDMI. Not even sure if my graphics card wouls upport it (I am using a Geforce 660 and have a Geforce 860, too). The other reason is that my 3 monitors are arranged in an arc, to better match my field of view. Using one flat screen of similar size would result in considerable difference in distances to the eye (border vs center).
Anyway, this is my ONLY application for 4K. Using regular household TV's up to 70" I seriously doubt that there is much difference between FullHD and 4K at recommended distance. Note that 4K for computer application is different, as one sits much closer to the screen.
So why 8K? As far as I am aware, it was developed in Japan a few years ago and was intended to be te natural step: FullHD --> 4K --> 8K. But of course, they must have forgotten that FullHD is already more than enough for normal consumers! Not to mention the required bandwidth - not only in broadcast, but also in recording and post production.
4K is still suffering with HEVC/.h256 which is complex and not many productions are available in 4K. I doubt this will change.
Again, the only reason I am aware of to move to 8K is to make the whole filming and production digital at a resultion that can match or even exceed analog film.
To render 8K, a really big screen is required and eventually the cinema of the future will use smaller rooms and instead of projecting the movie, it will be rendered on big 8K LCD screens.
Coming on topic, the title is complete rubbish. The EU is not banning any TV. The keyword is energy eficiency and ALL devices not matching the designated efficiency rating will be banned.
Why do 8K TV's exceed the rating? Because they are so big and have so many pixels/transistors. Either manufacturers can optimize this or you won't find consumer grade 8K TV's in the store. But, as already mentioned, you don't see many other types of devices in stores!
Conclusion: much smoke for nothing.
james_s:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on November 03, 2022, 02:50:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on November 02, 2022, 03:14:45 pm ---Oh no. Some power hungry TVs which are needlessly high resolution won't be for sale to the tiny slice of the market which spends excessive amounts of money on them. I will have a good cry over this.
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Yes, it is pretty much like Audiophiles!
Why produce resolution that the eye can't use?
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I've never seen an 8k TV but I'm skeptical of that comment. I've had people tell me that 4k is needlessly high resolution and yet I can clearly see the difference compared to 1080p. I've had so many people tell me that xx Hz is fast enough that the eye can't perceive flicker and yet I can see it clearly up to significantly higher frequencies.
I generally find 1080p adequate, but 4k certainly looks sharper and smoother.
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