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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices

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tszaboo:

--- Quote from: JohanH on June 09, 2022, 07:45:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on June 09, 2022, 06:16:55 pm ---I don't want to be mandated to do something just because the majority of people think it's a good idea, I want to make my own choices, I want to take my own risks, I want to look out for myself and live my life as I see fit, I don't want to be dragged down by the majority, I hate it, it's oppressive and suffocating. I'm a grown adult, not a child, I don't need a babysitter, I don't need anyone deciding what's good for me. I can't even pick a side with our government and politics because all of the viable parties are awful and I strongly disagree with all of them on one thing or another. I'd genuinely rather have gridlock than have any of them in control.

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If you had lived over here, you would see how free we are to make our own choices in life. Nobody ever "decided" anything for me. Well something maybe. You had to go to school (but you were free to choose almost any education you wanted). You had to be 18 to do certain things. You have to have a driving license to drive. You can't just take other people's property. Etc. Laws and rules are necessary for a modern society to work and they are mostly common sense, definitely not oppressive, rather supportive. If you are successful in life, you don't even think of the government. It's when you are poor and have bad health that society really steps in here and offers help if you want it. I'm happy to pay my taxes for a better society. Your definition of freedom sounds like some wild fantasy, living in the past when people really had to struggle to get food, fight each other, died young and only a few got lucky and rich. All of this has improved immensely in the last 120 years. The technological development is mind boggling. Nothing of this would have been possible without a society with laws. I would never want to be dragged back to the dark times by conservative and authoritarian powers that fester corruption and inequality.

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I dont think they will understand it. If the evil government makes a rule that companies cannot dump poison into rivers, half the Americans will go: "I don't want the government to tell me what to do".
They would never even imagine a friendly policeman arriving on a bicycle stopping you and telling you to not forget to turn on the light on yours because you might get injured, shaking hands smiling and go on your way.
But you know, that's the land of the free.
And I'm not going to paste here a list of things that I can legally do here which are illegal there. Like having a beer at 18.
It's like: Hey the government tells me what to buy, instead of "I can charge all my things with the same cable finally"

eugene:
I'm not sure how this turned into an Europeans vs Americans pissing fest, but it's not productive. Probably better to keep it at the local pub where it belongs.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: eugene on June 09, 2022, 09:41:46 pm ---I'm not sure how this turned into an Europeans vs Americans pissing fest, but it's not productive. Probably better to keep it at the local pub where it belongs.

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It's not, and it's a wrong debate. I'm european and I hate this EU putting its nose everywhere as much if not more than your average american.

But it's not surprising that it triggers a political debate, as the crux of the topic IS political. It's not technical.

Monkeh:

--- Quote from: julian1 on June 09, 2022, 08:15:05 pm ---Does the enforcement apply to the USB-C PD (power delivery) negotiation protocol? Trying to remember from Dave's old video, it required a fairly complicated proprietary solution, and couldn't be done with just firmware + phy.

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--- Quote ---2. Hand-held mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld
videogame consoles and portable speakers, in so far as they are capable of being
recharged via wired charging at voltages higher than 5 volts or currents higher than 3
amperes or powers higher than 15 watts, shall:
(a) incorporate the USB Power Delivery, as described in the standard EN IEC
62680-1-2:2021 ‘Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-2:
Common components - USB Power Delivery specification’;
(b) ensure that any additional charging protocol allows the full functionality of the
USB Power Delivery referred to in point (a).
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Someone:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 09, 2022, 06:27:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on June 09, 2022, 08:05:11 am ---Hang on, you're jumping forward past 2005 to 2007 when proprietary connectors on phones were still a thing...

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Why do you keep bringing up 2005? Who cares about 2005? That's ancient history, I didn't even have a mobile phone that far back, let alone a smartphone and I didn't know anyone that had one until one of my friends got the original iPhone shortly after that came out. Personally I don't consider smartphones to have existed prior to the iPhone. Sure there were a few prototypical devices like Palm and Blackberry but those were esoteric things while the tech was still in its infancy and USB had only been around for a handful of years by that point and still had a lot of rough edges. The concept of using USB for charging only when a data connection was not needed was pretty uncommon but caught on anyway. It was never mandated and still is not mandated though so I don't really get the point you're trying to make. If it's a good idea, it will catch on, and if there are niche applications where it is preferable to have something else, it's good for that to be allowed. We don't need mandates, just buy products that have the features you want, and don't try to force everyone else to have the same thing. It is always better to have choice.

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You're the one who keeps adding more specificity....

Did phones have a mess of different charging ports? Yes. Up until 2007 or a little bit after then. Were there lots of portable devices including phones before 2007? Yes.
Was USB ubiquitous before 2007? Yes.

What changed to make manufacturers use USB? micro USB and pending EU mandate.

Saying the market moved to USB on their own is incorrect, it didnt, the market resisted moving to USB and persisted with proprietary connectors until 2007.

Its pretty clear:

--- Quote from: Someone on June 08, 2022, 11:32:07 pm ---Mobile phones traditionally had obscure brand (or model) specific connectors for power and serial (or USB) so that you had to buy the accessories from them and only them. In the bad old good old dark days, you couldnt even charge over USB and as the power adapter had a captive cable it was mutually exclusive: charge or transfer data.
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Still true.

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