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eti:
Whatta Lotta Drama over something so meaningless 😂

Someone:

--- Quote from: Berni on June 10, 2022, 05:38:05 am ---This is more about making the fast chargers interchangeable with each other. Right now your "Qualcomm Quick Charge 4" charger will not fast charge a Apple device or a device that supports ....
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Thanks for those examples, it looks like that Qualcomm has ended up PD compliant so it would charge other devices Apple etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_Charge#Versions
:) we're getting there.

Someone:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on June 10, 2022, 08:16:36 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on June 09, 2022, 11:03:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on June 09, 2022, 10:47:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on June 09, 2022, 10:43:46 pm ---Which leaves my worry that 5V x 3A with no PD negotiation will persist as the cheap/lowest common denominator that will become "standard".
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This is fine. This is specifically so dumber devices can charge without needing extra complexity - you do not need USB PD capability in a headset, for example.
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Yes, the devices do not need it, but without standardized negotiation for high current 5V charging there will still be compatibility issues between charging sources and devices... and the specific worry I keep bringing up:

if devices are the mandate, USB-C connection but the volume/cheap stuff can persist with 5V <3A dumb endpoints
that is not going to deliver reusable and convenient charge anything power adaptors (USB-C PD)

So the claimed  motivation to reuse adaptors isnt best served by this.

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For a type-c device, to have 5V available for you, the only necessary electronics is 2x 5.1KOhm resistors between the CC lines and ground. There are also Type C plugs available with only like 6 pins, that can be used for charging only.
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I get that its all roses and works perfectly for "low power" 5V only devices, that is the problem as it is a convenient "out" or shortcut for the junk suppliers to meet the regulation in wording but not in spirit. Your 3A 5V result assumes the charger has USB-C, which isn't being mandated!

The EU mandate is allegedly about making people reuse their chargers across more devices. But not all devices will charge with only 5V power. So if they only mandate the device connection end, we will still end up with many incompatible chargers as more dumb 5V <1.5A (anything higher requires some negotiation) supplies are produced and shipped.

The labelling/information about chargers is pretty confusing and often hard to find for consumers, hopefully when USB-C is the only show in town at the other end that will solve its self.

Simon:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on June 08, 2022, 02:36:37 am ---New devices that don't have USB type C charging ports will be banned from the EU in a couple of years. It looks like USB-C will be the world standard in due course, thanks to the EU.

As a result, those doing design like I do will be more convinced to go USB-C from on on, rather than opting for micro USB. The directive will be under the EU's notorious Radio Emissions Directive (CE RED). Apple is protesting that enforcing USB-C will stifle innovation.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32196/deal-on-common-charger-reducing-hassle-for-consumers-and-curbing-e-waste

Is this a case of too much government control of our technology, or a commonsense approach to fixing a problem?
Good idea or not?

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Sorry to get here late, but then the law in about 20 years too late? I mean who won't be making a phone without USBC that is not apple and who having signed up to paying through the nose for apple will buy android and be stuck for a charger. This law feels more like politicking than actually helping, we needed it so long ago that the market has dealt with it by itself now.

Bassman59:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 10, 2022, 11:42:25 am ---
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on June 08, 2022, 02:36:37 am ---New devices that don't have USB type C charging ports will be banned from the EU in a couple of years. It looks like USB-C will be the world standard in due course, thanks to the EU.

As a result, those doing design like I do will be more convinced to go USB-C from on on, rather than opting for micro USB. The directive will be under the EU's notorious Radio Emissions Directive (CE RED). Apple is protesting that enforcing USB-C will stifle innovation.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32196/deal-on-common-charger-reducing-hassle-for-consumers-and-curbing-e-waste

Is this a case of too much government control of our technology, or a commonsense approach to fixing a problem?
Good idea or not?

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Sorry to get here late, but then the law in about 20 years too late? I mean who won't be making a phone without USBC that is not apple and who having signed up to paying through the nose for apple will buy android and be stuck for a charger. This law feels more like politicking than actually helping, we needed it so long ago that the market has dealt with it by itself now.

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I realize you hate Apple, but Apple's really not as stupid or as expensive as you think they are, and the people who follow this stuff fully expect the iPhone 14 that will be introduced this fall to have USB-C for charging and data. USB-C is already on the iPad Pro. The only question is whether the iPhone 14 will have an M1 processor (like the iPad Pro), or whether it will have a new A processor with a USB-C interface.

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