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SilverSolder:

For those who argue against standardising:   why not allow "the market" to decide the wall outlets?  Both the mechanical shape and the voltage/current should be up to "the market"!   It would be great to have the freedom of installing exactly the optimal kind of wall outlet everywhere, unencumbered by bureaucracy?    >:D

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 15, 2022, 04:46:28 pm ---
For those who argue against standardising:   why not allow "the market" to decide the wall outlets?  Both the mechanical shape and the voltage/current should be up to "the market"!   It would be great to have the freedom of installing exactly the optimal kind of wall outlet everywhere, unencumbered by bureaucracy?    >:D

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Come on, it limits innovation. With higher voltage you have less losses. Plus they can make smaller contacts now than all those years ago.
Also, responsible customers will choose the safe outlets, let's delete the safety requirements.

Berni:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on June 15, 2022, 05:19:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 15, 2022, 04:46:28 pm ---
For those who argue against standardising:   why not allow "the market" to decide the wall outlets?  Both the mechanical shape and the voltage/current should be up to "the market"!   It would be great to have the freedom of installing exactly the optimal kind of wall outlet everywhere, unencumbered by bureaucracy?    >:D

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Come on, it limits innovation. With higher voltage you have less losses. Plus they can make smaller contacts now than all those years ago.
Also, responsible customers will choose the safe outlets, let's delete the safety requirements.

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Yep imagine how fast our kettles could boil water if only there was a company with the balls to say screw this pissant 230V standard outlet and make a kettle that runs directly from medium voltage transmission line power. Those 22kV could carry 350kW over the same 16A wires. Sure you might not have the outlet for it right know, but for a low one time fee they can send over a technician to install there revolutionary next generation outlet in your very own kitchen.

But isn't 22kV like really dangerous? Sure it might require a bit more care, but that's why you sign the waiver that the installation technician brings along conveniently. It is after all the consumers choice to use this revolutionary new technology that lets them boil a kettle in 5 seconds flat. The consumers know what they want, not some tight assed bureaucrat that thinks this high of a power is somehow 'too dangerous'

SilverSolder:

ROFL!   :-DD

I might go for one of those 22kV kettles!  - I would absolutely be a responsible customer and ask my children to stay out of the kitchen when I make tea! 

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on June 15, 2022, 04:01:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 15, 2022, 03:07:49 pm ---How is CCFL environmentally worse than incandescent? It's got nothing to do with the mercury, because the lamp contains <5mg and more is released through burning extra coal, to power incandescent, even before other nasties such as CO2 are concerned.

The free market was tried and people still bought incandescent due to the cheaper upfront cost, but ended up paying more in the long run in higher energy bills.

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Simple, people who were forced to buy one, won't buy expensive durable ones, but cheap ones, which in reality fail after about that same time as incandescents
It contains way more stuff than a tiny amount of mercury, you have that driver board and so.
And heat produced is most of the time not wasted in European conditions, so just more use of electric heaters.
There were plenty of cases where CCFL just did not make sense.
I know people are dumb and hate changes, but most people used them in cases where it makes sense to use such light.

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No CFLs last much longer than incandescent. The driver circuit is simple and even the cheap ones outlast incandescent.

I live in Europe and can confirm the heat is wasted. It's now summer and the extra heat is unwelcome and in winter, I'd rather use cheap natural gas, than expensive resistive heating.

Yes CFL didn't make any sense in some applications such as in an oven, or when it's briefly turned on for short lengths of time, but they're fine for most things.

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