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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
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eugene:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 24, 2022, 06:05:27 pm ---
... a lamp has to plug in to your nearest wall outlet, a rechargeable device has to plug in to USB-C.   
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The wall plugs are standardized for safety reasons. And in case you haven't noticed, there's more than one plug, each rated for different current.


--- Quote ---I don't see a problem with that, and many benefits.
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What are the many benefits? An increase in convenience is one. What are the rest?


--- Quote ---The advantage of allowing proprietary-only plugs are really only the ability to fleece the consumer.  Are you in favour of fleecing consumers??

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What proprietary connectors are you talking about? Please give me an example.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: eugene on June 24, 2022, 06:51:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 24, 2022, 06:05:27 pm ---
... a lamp has to plug in to your nearest wall outlet, a rechargeable device has to plug in to USB-C.   
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The wall plugs are standardized for safety reasons. And in case you haven't noticed, there's more than one plug, each rated for different current.


--- Quote ---I don't see a problem with that, and many benefits.
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What are the many benefits? An increase in convenience is one. What are the rest?


--- Quote ---The advantage of allowing proprietary-only plugs are really only the ability to fleece the consumer.  Are you in favour of fleecing consumers??

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What proprietary connectors are you talking about? Please give me an example.

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Do we really need to explain to a competent engineer what the benefits of standardisation are? 

The benefits are so obvious that the onus is actually on you to explain why we should NOT require a standard charging port (as well as whatever other ports you want) on mobile devices.  It is the best of both worlds - we are not impeding innovation, and we are allowing people to (re)use existing chargers and cables in cars, offices, homes, travel bags, and so on.

The idea that if you own 4 portable devices, means that you need 4 chargers in your car, 4 in your office, 4 in your bedroom, 4 in your living room, 4 in your travel bag, 4 in your cottage, and so on,   -   really, it is just absurd...    when one could do the job.

Maybe for your specific use case, of owning one phone that you always snuggle up to, the proprietary port nightmare isn't an issue.   But can you at least accept that it is an issue for other people, and allow us a USB-C port to fulfill our basic charging needs unimpeded by "progress"??

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 24, 2022, 04:22:55 pm ---Polemic remarks aside, the problem is if USB-C is made mandatory, of course manufacturers could add another connector, if a better standard comes along, but they're still stuck with the having to have the old obsolete USB-C connector. Hopefully the law will be reviewed and updated, if necessary, top prevent this.

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I don't see the problem. My Laptop can be charged with USB-C, which is also a Thunderbolt or the Lenovo specific charger.
I don't know how they do it, maybe they are using these new so-called dijodes to like switch where the power is coming from.
This is literally a non-issue.
JPortici:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 24, 2022, 07:10:33 pm ---The idea that if you own 4 portable devices, means that you need 4 chargers in your car, 4 in your office, 4 in your bedroom, 4 in your living room, 4 in your travel bag, 4 in your cottage, and so on,   -   really, it is just absurd...    when one could do the job.

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bet he's going to argue you have one charger, four cables that plug into charger.
eugene:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 24, 2022, 07:10:33 pm ---Do we really need to explain to a competent engineer what the benefits of standardisation are? 

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No you don't need to explain the benefits of standardization. As I said earlier on this very page, everyone agrees that standardization is good.

Evidently, all attempts to explain to you that charging ports are already standardized has not hit home.


--- Quote ---The benefits are so obvious that the onus is actually on you to explain why we should NOT require a standard charging port (as well as whatever other ports you want) on mobile devices.  It is the best of both worlds - we are not impeding innovation, and we are allowing people to (re)use existing chargers and cables in cars, offices, homes, travel bags, and so on.

The idea that if you own 4 portable devices, means that you need 4 chargers in your car, 4 in your office, 4 in your bedroom, 4 in your living room, 4 in your travel bag, 4 in your cottage, and so on,   -   really, it is just absurd...    when one could do the job.

Maybe for your specific use case, of owning one phone that you always snuggle up to, the proprietary port nightmare isn't an issue.   But can you at least accept that it is an issue for other people, and allow us a USB-C port to fulfill our basic charging needs unimpeded by "progress"??

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What 4 devices requiring 4 different connectors? As I have already explained too many times, there are only 2: USB micro-B and USB C. Making a law that all new devices have a C connector will not make micro-B disappear because I will continue to own those devices.

Again, I ask you, for the second time on this page alone, what proprietary connectors are you talking about? Please, tell me so that I can take your argument the slightest bit seriously. Otherwise I will be forced to consider it a so-called strawman argument and disregard any further comments from you as not being important. This round and round is getting nowhere. You need to make me aware of the other 2 out of 4 connectors that you are talking about. I cannot address your comments without that information.
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