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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
MadScientist:
anyway the EU micro C law is welcome if not just to force apple to tow the line
langwadt:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on June 25, 2022, 10:42:06 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on June 24, 2022, 09:30:43 pm ---Duh! I'm thinking of the A :palm:
There must be some reason though. Even fairly recent Garmins use the mini over micro.
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I just got a brand new Garmin and was surprised to find Mini USB still alive and well....
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I'm not sure "alive and well" is what it is, it is discouraged but still allowed by USB-IF
I suspect Garmin stick to it because there is a crapton of old holders out there that have a mini-B charging cable
tooki:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 25, 2022, 12:08:51 pm ---Of course this is about Apple, even though it's not explicitly stated in the legislation. I doubt the law would exist, if it wasn't for Apple's crappy connector.
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The Lightning connector has proven to be a great connector, and it was introduced years before USB-C to enable capabilities micro-USB couldn’t. If Apple had switched to USB-C right away, people would have lambasted them for abandoning Lightning so quickly. Apple can do no right: no matter what they do, someone attacks them for it, because there’s always been this segment of the population that has an uncontrollable need to hate on them.
Bear in mind also that the other end of a Lightning cable is a standard USB plug. The original EU rule was supposed to reduce excess chargers (which lightning remained compatible with) and cables (which I always thought was a dumb rule, because I’ve always needed more cables than chargers anyway and thus had to buy extras). So switching to Lightning didn’t actually undermine their goals.
With that said, Lightning is now almost a decade old, and I think it’d be ok to move to USB-C.
MadScientist:
--- Quote from: tooki on June 25, 2022, 02:30:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on June 25, 2022, 12:08:51 pm ---Of course this is about Apple, even though it's not explicitly stated in the legislation. I doubt the law would exist, if it wasn't for Apple's crappy connector.
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The Lightning connector has proven to be a great connector, and it was introduced years before USB-C to enable capabilities micro-USB couldn’t. If Apple had switched to USB-C right away, people would have lambasted them for abandoning Lightning so quickly. Apple can do no right: no matter what they do, someone attacks them for it, because there’s always been this segment of the population that has an uncontrollable need to hate on them.
Bear in mind also that the other end of a Lightning cable is a standard USB plug. The original EU rule was supposed to reduce excess chargers (which lightning remained compatible with) and cables (which I always thought was a dumb rule, because I’ve always needed more cables than chargers anyway and thus had to buy extras). So switching to Lightning didn’t actually undermine their goals.
With that said, Lightning is now almost a decade old, and I think it’d be ok to move to USB-C.
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Irrespective of its technical merits , my view is lightening was an unreliable connector easily as bad as the Apple junk older connector. My drawer full of apple cables testifies to this and issues with the device socket as well.
tooki:
Apple’s early Lightning cables were awful (like all Apple cables of that era other than AC power cords) because it was during their first forays into PVC-free cables. The newer ones, mercifully, are infinitely better.
As for the sockets, that doesn’t agree with my experience. Far and away the biggest problem with Lightning sockets is how lint gets packed into them. The tolerances are quite small so it doesn’t take much to make the connector unreliable. Pocket lint gets into the socket, and then the next time a plug is inserted, it packs the lint inside. After a year or two, enough can accumulate to prevent reliable mating. Luckily the solution is easy: use a toothpick or paper clip to carefully scrape out the lint.
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