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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
tooki:
--- Quote from: mairo on September 06, 2022, 04:36:00 am ---What I would like to see, not sure if covered here already or already available on the market, is electric power tools from various manufacturers (AEG, Bosch, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt ...) to work with same batteries.
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(I have no idea if such a standard exists.)
The only potential downside I see is perhaps an increase in unsafe counterfeit batteries. Annoying as it is, I do understand why so many device manufacturers use authentication chips to prevent third party batteries, given that (Samsung’s Note 7 fiasco aside), most cellphone and digital camera battery fires are apparently due to third party batteries, if I remember correctly.
So strictly from a product liability perspective, there is logic in attempting to keep out batteries you didn’t make yourself.
The only products I’m aware of where standardized third-party batteries are the norm is broadcast video equipment, where the industry-standard “V mount” is used for tons of cameras, etc. (In the past, it was common for the camera to have one, the video tape recorder another, maybe another for the audio recorder… All interchangeable.) A company called Anton Bauer is dominant, but many, many competitors exist.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tooki on September 06, 2022, 06:03:32 am ---
--- Quote from: mairo on September 06, 2022, 04:36:00 am ---What I would like to see, not sure if covered here already or already available on the market, is electric power tools from various manufacturers (AEG, Bosch, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt ...) to work with same batteries.
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(I have no idea if such a standard exists.)
The only potential downside I see is perhaps an increase in unsafe counterfeit batteries. Annoying as it is, I do understand why so many device manufacturers use authentication chips to prevent third party batteries, given that (Samsung’s Note 7 fiasco aside), most cellphone and digital camera battery fires are apparently due to third party batteries, if I remember correctly.
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Not really. There are standard form factor batteries which are interchangeable. It is up to the user to buy good quality or crappy batteries.
free_electron:
Mandated standard : Great. no more endless mishmash of wires, adapters and whatnot.
Paying standard : total failure. Such a standard needs to be open and accessible. now it is locked behind a paywall. you cannot make a device without signing nda , paying dues and whatnot.
having to pay for compliance testing is ok if you want to put a product in the market, but you should be able to do the design without cost and hoop jumping.
if you design an electrical plug you don't need to pay for the standard, just for compliance testing
tooki:
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 06, 2022, 10:22:19 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on September 06, 2022, 06:03:32 am ---
--- Quote from: mairo on September 06, 2022, 04:36:00 am ---What I would like to see, not sure if covered here already or already available on the market, is electric power tools from various manufacturers (AEG, Bosch, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt ...) to work with same batteries.
--- End quote ---
(I have no idea if such a standard exists.)
The only potential downside I see is perhaps an increase in unsafe counterfeit batteries. Annoying as it is, I do understand why so many device manufacturers use authentication chips to prevent third party batteries, given that (Samsung’s Note 7 fiasco aside), most cellphone and digital camera battery fires are apparently due to third party batteries, if I remember correctly.
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Not really. There are standard form factor batteries which are interchangeable. It is up to the user to buy good quality or crappy batteries.
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Unfortunately, a large percentage of the third-party cellphone batteries were sold to people who thought they were buying original ones: counterfeits. We cannot expect every consumer to be an expert in identifying genuine or high-quality aftermarket batteries. I categorically reject the argument of “caveat emptor” as the mechanism for preventing unsafe products from entering the market.
Regardless, you entirely missed the key point of my statement: product liability. From a phone or camera manufacturer’s perspective — where THEY will be the first entity sued when something goes wrong — I think it’s entirely logical to block third party batteries.
tooki:
--- Quote from: free_electron on September 06, 2022, 04:57:00 pm ---Mandated standard : Great. no more endless mishmash of wires, adapters and whatnot.
Paying standard : total failure. Such a standard needs to be open and accessible. now it is locked behind a paywall. you cannot make a device without signing nda , paying dues and whatnot.
having to pay for compliance testing is ok if you want to put a product in the market, but you should be able to do the design without cost and hoop jumping.
if you design an electrical plug you don't need to pay for the standard, just for compliance testing
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LOL what? You can go on the USB-IF website right now and download the standards. They’re not paywalled. You can make a USB compliant gadget without licensing USB, you just can’t put a USB logo on it. For that, you need to pay for… wait for it… compliance testing.
The $5k/yr for USB-IF membership is peanuts to the companies making these products. Compliance testing is surely far more expensive.
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