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| Zero999:
--- Quote from: tooki on September 06, 2022, 04:57:41 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on September 06, 2022, 10:22:19 am --- --- Quote from: tooki on September 06, 2022, 06:03:32 am --- --- Quote from: mairo on September 06, 2022, 04:36:00 am ---What I would like to see, not sure if covered here already or already available on the market, is electric power tools from various manufacturers (AEG, Bosch, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt ...) to work with same batteries. --- End quote --- (I have no idea if such a standard exists.) The only potential downside I see is perhaps an increase in unsafe counterfeit batteries. Annoying as it is, I do understand why so many device manufacturers use authentication chips to prevent third party batteries, given that (Samsung’s Note 7 fiasco aside), most cellphone and digital camera battery fires are apparently due to third party batteries, if I remember correctly. --- End quote --- Not really. There are standard form factor batteries which are interchangeable. It is up to the user to buy good quality or crappy batteries. --- End quote --- Unfortunately, a large percentage of the third-party cellphone batteries were sold to people who thought they were buying original ones: counterfeits. We cannot expect every consumer to be an expert in identifying genuine or high-quality aftermarket batteries. I categorically reject the argument of “caveat emptor” as the mechanism for preventing unsafe products from entering the market. Regardless, you entirely missed the key point of my statement: product liability. From a phone or camera manufacturer’s perspective — where THEY will be the first entity sued when something goes wrong — I think it’s entirely logical to block third party batteries. --- End quote --- Counterfeit batteries is a straw man. If manufacturers were genuinely worried about being sued because the customer fitted fake batteries, then why are there still so many devices which run on alkaline cells? It's easy to prove the customer fitted third party batteries. A simple code printed on the OEM battery (this can be in a discrete place, in invisible ink) would prove that. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---A simple code printed on the OEM battery --- End quote --- ...would be faked too, if the user needed to check it. If not, once the user has bought the battery (that he may think is OEM) no-one cares except the manufacturer, and by then it's too late. Also, simple codes tend not to survive a conflagration event ;) Perhaps a better solution would be the provide replacements are a good price. Sure, they won't price out the fakers but if it's close enough most punters would opt for genuine rather than after-market. The ones that really must save the last penny... well, nothing's going to persuade them anyway. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: free_electron on September 06, 2022, 04:57:00 pm ---if you design an electrical plug you don't need to pay for the standard, just for compliance testing --- End quote --- Errr. Please go find a legal, free copy of BS 1363, IEC 60320, IEC 60309, AS/NZS 3112, CEE 7 and IEC 60884-1, .... And before you go "But I can get my shitty flimsy NEMA 5 dimensions for free" - The US is irrelevant in this context anyway, because we are discussing the EU. |
| themadhippy:
--- Quote ---What I would like to see, not sure if covered here already or already available on the market, is electric power tools from various manufacturers (AEG, Bosch, Makita, Ryobi, DeWalt ...) to work with same batteries. --- End quote --- https://www.powerforall-alliance.com/en/partners/ |
| ataradov:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on September 06, 2022, 08:07:32 pm --- https://www.powerforall-alliance.com/en/partners/ --- End quote --- This looks more like Bosch and a bunch of small companies that could not be bothered or don't have enough scale to make their own batteries. At the same time, there are adapters for most brands of batteries to most brands of tools. All the popular combinations are covered. |
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