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tooki:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 06, 2022, 05:59:09 pm ---Perhaps a better solution would be the provide replacements are a good price. Sure, they won't price out the fakers but if it's close enough most punters would opt for genuine rather than after-market. The ones that really must save the last penny... well,  nothing's going to persuade them anyway.

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This!! I really don’t think companies should consider safety-relevant spare parts as profit centers.

I liked how some years ago, after a girl got electrocuted while using a faulty third-party USB charger on her iPhone (and a few other incidents with third party chargers), Apple ran a campaign where you could trade in a third party charger and get a genuine Apple one for $10. Of course, I wish they just sold them for $10 to begin with, precisely to disincentivize people from buying junk.

Someone:

--- Quote from: tooki on September 07, 2022, 06:08:13 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 06, 2022, 05:09:33 pm ---Counterfeit batteries is a straw man. If manufacturers were genuinely worried about being sued because the customer fitted fake batteries, then why are there still so many devices which run on alkaline cells? It's easy to prove the customer fitted third party batteries. A simple code printed on the OEM battery (this can be in a discrete place, in invisible ink) would prove that.
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When is the last time you heard about an alkaline battery turning into a flamethrower in someone’s pocket? The safety issue is specific to lithium ion batteries.
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All the horror stories I've heard were from unprotected batteries.

There is the middle ground of standard shaped/sized protected lithium batteries like is done with cameras, they dont need vendor lock in or authentication.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Someone on September 07, 2022, 06:21:38 am ---All the horror stories I've heard were from unprotected batteries.

There is the middle ground of standard shaped/sized protected lithium batteries like is done with cameras, they dont need vendor lock in or authentication.

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Yes, they do, because they’re exactly the batteries I’m talking about. Phones and cameras don’t use unprotected 18650 cells. They use protected rectangular battery packs. And there have been many cases of those things catching on fire. Mostly counterfeits.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---TLDR - one type of battery for all their products and the batteries have telemetry integrated who tracks
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That is atrocious. No doubt they can get away with it because they are high-end tools and 'people' tend not to buy them - their companies do, and companies don't care about the privacy implications (in fact, they would love the anti-theft element). But the problem is that high-end stuff trickles down and pretty soon it will be the norm for stuff you'll buy from Aldi and Lidl, and by then it's too late to be able to take a stance against it.

Black Phoenix:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 07, 2022, 12:36:46 pm ---
--- Quote ---TLDR - one type of battery for all their products and the batteries have telemetry integrated who tracks
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That is atrocious. No doubt they can get away with it because they are high-end tools and 'people' tend not to buy them - their companies do, and companies don't care about the privacy implications (in fact, they would love the anti-theft element). But the problem is that high-end stuff trickles down and pretty soon it will be the norm for stuff you'll buy from Aldi and Lidl, and by then it's too late to be able to take a stance against it.

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Not even that for me the biggest gripe is they can impose limits in the battery a là IOS Battery Gate - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate

So basically reduce the battery usage time before shutdown because the battery been already 5 years in use and should be replaced (for example). And then you have cases of people who own tools with battery and rarely use them enough for the battery to even get more than 200 cycles in those 5 years, like most hobby household man.

200 cycles in a lithium battery is absolutely nothing.

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