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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
PlainName:
That too.
Black Phoenix:
It's true that brands need to fight dangerous counterfeits coming from whatever country build them.
It's also true that counterfeits are getting better and better, fooling even the most informed person (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/mechanical-engineering/how-to-spot-fake-mitutoyo-calipers/ as an example of many others).
One of the ways companies have is lower prices to make the OEM and counterfeit market less appealing, although it's a hard battle to fight in some regions of the world where the monthly income is way lower than the standard developed world.
Even in the developed world is hard with the inflation and non increase of salaries compared with the cost of life.
What can it be done? All measures can be counter with reasons and justifications in the economic or political scope (as import restrictions as example).
A program of exchange of older equipment for new one at a lower cost? That could work but not only would need companies to allocate resources to such program as it could be abused - Snap On exchange program is one it comes to my mind and have first hand experience where people buy damaged tools on eBay to then go the Snap On van to exchange for a new one.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---Snap On exchange program is one it comes to my mind and have first hand experience where people buy damaged tools on eBay to then go the Snap On van to exchange for a new one.
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Don't see the problem. If they warranty the tool for life then it should be exchangeable by anyone. AFAIK they don't warrant that a tool will become trash merely because a different pair of hands touched it.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tooki on September 07, 2022, 06:08:13 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 06, 2022, 05:09:33 pm ---Counterfeit batteries is a straw man. If manufacturers were genuinely worried about being sued because the customer fitted fake batteries, then why are there still so many devices which run on alkaline cells? It's easy to prove the customer fitted third party batteries. A simple code printed on the OEM battery (this can be in a discrete place, in invisible ink) would prove that.
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When is the last time you heard about an alkaline battery turning into a flamethrower in someone’s pocket? The safety issue is specific to lithium ion batteries.
And yyyyeah, counterfeiters have been cloning batteries, including the authenticity holograms, for years. A simple printed code won’t do. Hence using authentication ICs.
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Just put serial numbers on the batteries which match the product.
Battery protection can be integrated into the device, so even if the battery isn't protected, it's no big deal.
It's all an excuse to rip people off. I'd rather be able to replace the batteries, with decent third party ones, rather than having to dump the device or pay an absorbent price to the manufacturer.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 07, 2022, 04:15:37 pm ---Battery protection can be integrated into the device, so even if the battery isn't protected, it's no big deal.
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You can do that, but it can’t protect against everything. Battery protection requires knowing certain battery parameters, and those may not reliable in a counterfeit battery.
And some of the… unplanned energetic flame releases happened in situations where a protection circuit can’t do anything: with the device in someone’s pocket, idle. Not in use, not being charged. (Again, talking about phones and cameras, not vape pens and other lithium ion horrors.)
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