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Someone:

--- Quote from: tooki on September 07, 2022, 09:09:53 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on September 07, 2022, 06:21:38 am ---All the horror stories I've heard were from unprotected batteries.

There is the middle ground of standard shaped/sized protected lithium batteries like is done with cameras, they dont need vendor lock in or authentication.

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Yes, they do, because they’re exactly the batteries I’m talking about. Phones and cameras don’t use unprotected 18650 cells. They use protected rectangular battery packs. And there have been many cases of those things catching on fire. Mostly counterfeits.

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Phones? they pretty much all moved to internally captive (non user serviceable) unprotected prismatic/pouch cells.

blacksheeplogic:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on September 07, 2022, 04:15:37 pm ---It's all an excuse to rip people off. I'd rather be able to replace the batteries, with decent third party ones, rather than having to dump the device or pay an absorbent price to the manufacturer.

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I have an issue with availability as well. I own devices I can no longer get replacement batteries for except from the aftermarket.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Someone on September 08, 2022, 02:42:43 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on September 07, 2022, 09:09:53 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on September 07, 2022, 06:21:38 am ---All the horror stories I've heard were from unprotected batteries.

There is the middle ground of standard shaped/sized protected lithium batteries like is done with cameras, they dont need vendor lock in or authentication.

--- End quote ---
Yes, they do, because they’re exactly the batteries I’m talking about. Phones and cameras don’t use unprotected 18650 cells. They use protected rectangular battery packs. And there have been many cases of those things catching on fire. Mostly counterfeits.

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Phones? they pretty much all moved to internally captive (non user serviceable) unprotected prismatic/pouch cells.

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Yep, and counterfeit batteries is one (not the only) reason why.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---Yep, and counterfeit batteries is one (not the only) reason why.
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I'd say it's one excuse why.

tooki:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 08, 2022, 08:54:37 am ---
--- Quote ---Yep, and counterfeit batteries is one (not the only) reason why.
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I'd say it's one excuse why.

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Of course you would, since you'd already dismissed the explanation. [Edit: my bad, that wasn't you.] Of course, in reality there's a difference between an excuse and an explanation, though many people cry "excuse!" just because they don't like or understand the explanations.

The fact is, companies weigh decisions based on complex factors, while people choose to actively ignore the factors they don't care about, deriding them as BS or whatever, even if they were significant or even deciding factors to the decision maker.

But if you were a multinational company with legal exposure worldwide, would you take the risk of getting sued when some family dies in a house fire caused by a crappy third party battery? Or will your lawyers say "lock that shit down"? Liability is a huge, huge issue, and companies have to make sure they avoid anything that could be considered negligence, as well as things that ambulance chasers and the media will twist into the appearance of negligence in the eyes of the public -- or a jury.

Just because you personally are willing to take a calculated risk with a third-party battery or charger doesn't mean most people should. And just because you're willing to take that risk doesn't mean the manufacturer should be obligated to make it easy for you.

I'm not saying that locking it down is always the right answer. But I can absolutely understand why companies do it.

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