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| tooki:
--- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on October 03, 2022, 10:52:23 am ---I honestly doubt Apple will eliminate USB on the iPhone any time soon. It’s not just a charging port after all. In addition to wired headsets, it’s used for accessories (like memory card readers, audio interfaces, thermal imaging cameras, and video output adapters), automotive connectivity, and device servicing. Yes, many of those can be done wirelessly (and are done wirelessly already), but not all. --- End quote --- Perhaps with Android where you can plug in any USB thing and it just works. --- End quote --- I’m not discussing Android phones. Irrelevant here. --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---When it comes to iPhones the selection of lightning accessories is not very broad. --- End quote --- I listed actual Lightning accessory types and uses beyond charging. --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---Most used is for charging, but apples website is already selling all sorts of wireless charging accesories, from desk chargers to car mounts etc... --- End quote --- Uh huh. And? --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---Yes there is the lightning to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter but most iPhone users probably want to be seen with trendy AirPods anyway. --- End quote --- Despite what Apple haters say, few people choose Apple products simply “to be seen” with “trendy” things. They buy them because they work well for them. --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---When it comes to SD cards the software doesn't actually let you browse it but instead just import all the photos from the card into the phone and similar. When it comes to USB host adapter cables it similarly only supports importing certain types of data and that is it, in a lot of cases read only too. When it comes to video output the lightning connector is so slow that it needs video compressed into mpeg or h264 or something, sent over the cable, then decoded back into video by a CPU (that is actually a older model Iphone SOC) in the dongle to create the video output. --- End quote --- Your point? I didn’t say it was a full-fledged USB port. --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---As for thermal cameras... most iPhone users probably don't even know what that is, they will tell you they can make the same thing using a colorful Instagram filter. --- End quote --- That’s true, insofar as most humans don’t know what a thermal camera is, regardless of what phone type they use. --- Quote from: Berni on October 03, 2022, 06:13:06 pm ---Yes removing the USB port would be a colossally dumb idea, but they are the same company that came up with things like no SD card sockets, no headphone jacks, no filesystem, having only a single button that just takes you home..etc and still selling the product like hot cakes. --- End quote --- Of those, the headphone jack is the only one I consider problematic in any way. The product sells like hotcakes because it’s a good product that works well for its users. The entire point of the home button (which most models now don’t even have) was to always take you to the home screen. Perfectly logical and sensible. No iPhone ever made has only had a single button: all models have had hardware volume controls, sleep/wake button, and mute switch. |
| JPortici:
--- Quote from: tooki on October 05, 2022, 05:44:02 am ---The entire point of the home button (which most models now don’t even have) was to always take you to the home screen. Perfectly logical and sensible. No iPhone ever made has only had a single button: all models have had hardware volume controls, sleep/wake button, and mute switch. --- End quote --- you know what he meant. Us android users have three buttons on the screen (which used to be physical there as well) and they work in a certain way. It's more logical to me and i get frustrated every time i use an iphone for app development. In fact i find many ui and ux choices frustrating, but that's me. Thankfully i can choose not to use an iphone, and i am aware that for many people i it's the exact opposite |
| Berni:
Android vs iPhone is mostly a matter of taste, probably best to leave that for another thread. Android still has the 3 front buttons that they had from the beginning (tho the context menu button changed roles into a multitask button) but they have moved from being physical buttons into being touch buttons due to phones being all screen now. They stay there all the time and only move out of the way in full screen modes to give you more screen area for watching videos and the like. For my personal taste i like the extra buttons that stay in the same spot rather then having every app handle going back differently. Tho my iOS experience is from an iPad but it can't be that much different from an iPhone. My point with the Lightning port is that 95% of users have likely only ever used it for charging the phone, something that these days can easily be done wirelessly too. Especially since iPhones didn't have the fastest charging speeds over USB so they are easier to recreate in wireless charging. Not that i personally want the insane speed 120W charging that some Android phones can do (i charge it slow over night anyway and this speed can't be good for the battery) but a lot of people seam to care about charging speed a lot. These products are unfortunately made for the average joe user, so this is where the design focuses on, not the rarer power users. Same reason why Win 10/11 is taking these questionable design choices. |
| tooki:
If the EU actually cares about the environment, then they should be banning wireless charging, not non-USB-C ports. One could also argue they should ban fast charging since it creates more e-waste by wearing out the battery faster. (I’m not suggesting they actually do this, just calling out the hypocrisy of the mandate.) Anyhow, 20W USB-C-to-Lightning and 15W MagSafe charging are already faster than I like for routine charging. iPhones do 7.5W Qi charging and roughly similar USB-A-to-Lightning charging. I use a 5W USB charger whenever I’m not in a hurry. |
| Berni:
The EU does care about the environment and a lot of things, the problem is that the people who make the decisions don't seam to understand technology all that well. So some of these laws are dumb or incomplete. They also take a while to actually get them trough so the laws might come into affect once a given technology has already proliferated everywhere. I also use slow 5W charging on purpose and i don't have a phone that supports wireless charging anyway. But i would likely use wireless if i had the option. I always leave my phone in the same spot overnight to charge, so wireless would save me having to plug it in every night. But i still want to keep my USB and 3.5mm jack The phone manufacturers already stopped including chargers in the box for saving the environment, but they actually did it to save money. It is one way to save waste, but at the same time people are going to instead buy the horrible bottom of the barrel chinese chargers that electrocute people and catch fire. I like having multiple chargers laying around while some people might want the fast charging that the old charger can't do. Not all solutions are black and white. The thing that did the most good for the environment around this is splitting the charger and USB cable. That way you can use the same cable with a computer or charger. The thing that dies is often the cable (especially the fancy sleek apple ones in my experience) so if that happens the cable can be replaced and charger reused. It also means that when USB-C replaced microUSB the same chargers could still be used. Tho i am guessing what drove this change was that a female USB-A connector was cheaper than 1.5m of cable with a microUSB on the end. |
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