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The EU is enforcing USB-C on portable devices
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tooki:

--- Quote from: Berni on October 06, 2022, 05:53:47 am ---The EU does care about the environment and a lot of things, the problem is that the people who make the decisions don't seam to understand technology all that well. So some of these laws are dumb or incomplete.

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Completely agree. Many dumb laws are passed with the best of intentions. But because the lawmakers aren’t subject matter experts, and evidently do not actually defer to subject matter experts enough, they end up passing dumb laws because they want to be seen as doing something. :/


--- Quote from: Berni on October 06, 2022, 05:53:47 am ---The phone manufacturers already stopped including chargers in the box for saving the environment, but they actually did it to save money. It is one way to save waste, but at the same time people are going to instead buy the horrible bottom of the barrel chinese chargers that electrocute people and catch fire. I like having multiple chargers laying around while some people might want the fast charging that the old charger can't do. Not all solutions are black and white.

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That is a really good point. You and I know to avoid Chinese garbage, but so many consumers don’t. (And shouldn’t have to.)


--- Quote from: Berni on October 06, 2022, 05:53:47 am ---The thing that did the most good for the environment around this is splitting the charger and USB cable. That way you can use the same cable with a computer or charger. The thing that dies is often the cable (especially the fancy sleek apple ones in my experience) so if that happens the cable can be replaced and charger reused. It also means that when USB-C replaced microUSB the same chargers could still be used. Tho i am guessing what drove this change was that a female USB-A connector was cheaper than 1.5m of cable with a microUSB on the end.

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Yes, permanently attached cords are the devil! Separating the charger from the cord has probably prevented HUGE amounts of e-waste.

I agree that Apple’s USB to Lightning (and before that, 30-pin dock connector) cords have never been the most robust. But for what it’s worth, their more recent ones have been a lot better. The early ones (2001-2008ish) weren’t too bad. Then they switched to their first-generation PVC-free insulation, and that stuff proved to be awful: it gets somewhat brittle, but the real problem is that it somehow extends longitudinally, until it bursts into shreds. Then around maybe 2015 or so they switched to some other PVC-free material and those seem to be holding up fairly well. They aren’t as robust as the best third-party cables (like Anker), but they’re also a whole lot thinner, which is handy for travel.

What I am delighted about is the USB-C–based MagSafe on recent MacBooks, using detachable cords.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Berni on October 06, 2022, 05:53:47 am ---The EU does care about the environment and a lot of things, the problem is that the people who make the decisions don't seam to understand technology all that well. So some of these laws are dumb or incomplete. They also take a while to actually get them trough so the laws might come into affect once a given technology has already proliferated everywhere.

I also use slow 5W charging on purpose and i don't have a phone that supports wireless charging anyway. But i would likely use wireless if i had the option. I always leave my phone in the same spot overnight to charge, so wireless would save me having to plug it in every night. But i still want to keep my USB and 3.5mm jack

The phone manufacturers already stopped including chargers in the box for saving the environment, but they actually did it to save money. It is one way to save waste, but at the same time people are going to instead buy the horrible bottom of the barrel chinese chargers that electrocute people and catch fire. I like having multiple chargers laying around while some people might want the fast charging that the old charger can't do. Not all solutions are black and white.

The thing that did the most good for the environment around this is splitting the charger and USB cable. That way you can use the same cable with a computer or charger. The thing that dies is often the cable (especially the fancy sleek apple ones in my experience) so if that happens the cable can be replaced and charger reused. It also means that when USB-C replaced microUSB the same chargers could still be used. Tho i am guessing what drove this change was that a female USB-A connector was cheaper than 1.5m of cable with a microUSB on the end.

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Wireless charging has never worked well for me, I went back to wired charging after several attempts.

Standardising on USB-C is OK with me.  I have plenty of USB-C to Mini-USB adapters to keep older equipment fed.
PlainName:
USB-C seems to attract and accumulate fluff (and, er, stuff) that mini and micro didin't. Periodically I have to root around in the connector with a very fine point to remove compacted layers that prevent the plug being pushed fully home.
Monkeh:
Eh, I've had to blow the muck out of micro USB connectors for years too, haven't really noticed too much difference there.

Don't think it makes much difference how far you insert mini, it'll fall out again promptly. I swear that connector will defy gravity to fall out upwards.
PlainName:
This isn't blowable. It confused me because I thought it was the back of the connector - it is really compacted very well and takes some effort to dig out. The only reason I realised it wasn't part of the connector plastic was because the plug obviously didn't go right the way in, leaving about half a mm gap.
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